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If you are a male who indulges in female domination fantasies, at what age did you realize your orientation?

Question: If you are one of the many men who are aroused by female domination, at what point in your life did you realize and accept this orientation?
Created by: truthseeker at 04:46:42 PM, Friday, July 25, 2008 EDT

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When I was 12 I used to fantasize about being kept as a Woman's slave. In my teens I developed a crush on our school's best Female athlete, a powerfully built aggressive girl, but of course would never admit being turned on by Her to anyone else. At twenty I went through various crushes on several college Feminists and student government leaders. It was not until my mid-twenties that I discovered Femdom erotica and reasoned that if there were magazines devoted to this stuff obviously people other than me must be into it. In my mid-30's I began to explore the underground Femdom scene and was used by several strong Womnen over the next few years. Finally in my late 30's my future Wife took me in as Her slave and married me 15 years later. I wonder what it would have been like to have been a 20 year old on today's Female dominated college campuses, to date aggressive Women with better grades and career prospects than me, and to marry one, take Her name, and spend my life as Her househusband. The young men of today have a better opportunity to realize their proper place at a young age, than I did.

obedient husbandJul 26 2008 7:20pm


I was a teenager when I saw a cover artwork of a Men's Adventure Magazine, that showed two sexily dressed women soldiers interrogating a P.O.W. I found it incredibly exciting and have been enjoying Femdom fantasies ever since

HarryJul 27 2008 11:36am
When I hit my teens, I finally realized that at 5`3 120 lbs, I was at my full growth. i was never going to get any taller. It also dawned on me that most women were much taller and had broader shoulders. But I really didnt get that reality check until I was 16. I was working in a book warehouse. there 7 of us who worked there, and I was the only male. On our first day, we had to carry a pile of encyclopedias. To my suprise all the girls could handle a pile of 10 encyclopedia, and I could only manage one.My boss(another female)got worried and decided that she should transfer me to an office position. Up to that point that was the most emasculating experience in my life. 6 months later, hoping to get stronger, I joined a gym. I started with a simple body sculpt class. there was 15 people who took the class. 12 women and(including myself) 3 men. We started out with 20 minutes of cardio, which I did great. And then the free weights. We started with bicep curls with a minimum weight of two 15 lb dumbells. I was really struggling after the second set, while the most in the class were lifting heavier weights, and managed 5 sets before they began to tire. I kept at the class for some time, but saw little improvement. Finally hired a personal trainer there. And worked out 3 days a week with the guidance of a professional for almost a yr.but hardly any gains. Eventually, my personal trainer told my goal should be fitness only because I dont have the genetics to get stronger muscles. I was devastated. Knowing that 60 percent of women could beat the poo out of me was hard on my male ego. But then the male ego eventually adapts to my involuntarily forced orientation. I found that I really enjoyed being around much bigger women.And the prospect of being physically dominated by a stronger woman seemed very erotic. Eventually bigger, stronger women was all I thought of. In my first year in college, I was in a play where I was to be carried around by a woman. I was in heaven. By thia time I was freely expressing my sexual orientation when I met my first girlfriend. I lost my virginity a week later.
The ego adapts to the present reality. And mine was that I am pretty small. Much smaller than most women.And there is no prospect to change that. Suddenly then, bigger women were my passion.

WillJul 27 2008 3:39pm
WOw obedient hubby. Where do you go to find such women?

subby maleJul 28 2008 6:19am
Subby male,in my area there were a number of social clubs and organizations that catered to Powerful Women and male slaves. The irony is that after cruising and taking bruisings at these places for several years, Wife picked me up at a museum.

obedient husbandJul 28 2008 3:21pm
I was a young kid in elementary school when i started becoming aware that I was excited by dominant females. For a long time I was conflicted about this, because the tradition was that men were the stronger sex. I tried to resist the feelings, but gradually gave in to them. I remember when the movie Planet Earth was on T.V. about a female dominated society in the future. This inspired a lot of fantasies.

JohnJul 28 2008 9:02pm
Mom and I used to play hansel and the witch. And the witch won!

AnonymousJul 29 2008 3:45am
About 4 yrs old

AnonymousJul 29 2008 3:45am
anonymous is proof that most here are child sex abuse victims

the truthJul 29 2008 5:29am
Obedient husband must not be living in Kansas lol

lolJul 29 2008 6:30am
#0011 - (Tue.) * 7/29/08

UpdateJul 29 2008 9:21am
Most of you guys are doing great with your stories, I just wish Anonymous #7 who played hansel and the witch would gave a little more detail.

AnonymousJul 29 2008 9:51pm
anonymous #7 story is disturbing IMO

AnonymousJul 30 2008 7:22am
anonymous #7,This is some serious poo .. what did mom do to you spooseddly as the witch, effected your sexual orientation?

AnonymousJul 30 2008 10:18am
i relized it when i was 15 my 12yr old sister had more muscle in her legs.her biceps were bigger.

AnonymousJul 30 2008 3:20pm
John,I also loved Planet Earth and when the rerun was on I skipped class to watch it. I first saw it at age 20 and made a point to watch the rerun when I was age 23. Anyway, for others on this site, the story postulates that there was a nuclear war in the 20th century and the survivors three hundred or so years hence are living in agrarian communities. One of them, the Confederacy of Ruth is run by Dominat Women who keep male slaves known as dinks. New males are auctioned off at the slave market to the Women of the Confederacy. The most aggressive Woman (played by Diana Mulduar about fifteen years before She played Dr.Pulaski on Star Trek or Rosalind Shays on LA Law)is a Woman named Marg who captures the male protagonist, turns him over to the slave market, and then buys him back. The male curiously enough is named Dylan Hunt, the same name Roddenberry used for Kevin Sorbo in Andromeda. Planet Earth was also a Roddenberry creation so I guess he just liked that name. Anyway, since it is a Roddenberry production one only needs to google "Planet Earth Roddenberry" and there is a fair amount of information. In response to lol, I have never lived or even been in the State of Kansas and Dorothy did not turn me on. Maybe if they made the Wicked Witch hot I would have been in to Her orders but in 1939 the idea of the hot Female villan had yet to be thought of.

obedient husbandJul 30 2008 6:05pm
Planet Earth was ahead of it's time. There was also an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called Angel One which is worth checking out. But Planet Earth had the most lasting impression. I am surprised more movies like that haven't been created given the strong interest in the subject.

JohnJul 30 2008 11:04pm
re: hansel and the witch
mom and I would play hansel and the witch. she(the witch) would wrestle me down and pin me, and then eat me up. I liked the the concept of some grown woman to completely dominate me to where I felt like an ingredient in her soup. So yeah, it changed my orientation forever.At 40, i am still looking for that one woman to eat me up. i guess thats why I am still single lol

AnonymousJul 31 2008 6:19am
I dont think we have any male bodybuilders here or beer guzzling truck drivers.Most of us are weak men, both physically and psychologically. Sure I can see some sexual abuse might exist, but I think most here developed this identity when we realized that the woman is inevitablly going to be the bigger dog in the fight.Sure its about physical strength, but its also a test of wills and intellect. And most of us will end up on the losing end.Some guys keep fighting it, we accept it. And yearn for that day when that special lady will sweep us off our feet.

okJul 31 2008 7:57am
I believe it actually takes strength and intellectual honesty in a man to be able consider the possibility that women might be our superiors. The natural tendency is to be dictated by the male ego and pride, a very significant obstacle to objectivity.

J.B.Jul 31 2008 10:50am
#0021 - (Thu.) * 7/31/08

UpdateJul 31 2008 8:14pm
The first time I can recall being aware of wanting a female to dominate me was when I was in the first or second grade. a girl in my class who I had a crush on was with a few of us in a park and started wrestling with one of the boys, not me. She got him down in a school girl pin (on top of him , facing his face with her knees planted firmly on his arms or shoulders) and the boy could not get up. The next day the same thing happened with her and that boy. I remember wishing with all my heart that she had been doing that to me instead of him, and that I was the one helpless beneath her school girl pin. I would have been embarrased and humiliated to have her put me down like she did to that other boy in front of our clasmates, but I still wanted it to happen.

TadAug 01 2008 3:58am
Just knowing that 60 percent of the women were bigger than me, created my orientation. You never fight it, you accept it and walk in confidence

AnonymousAug 01 2008 2:23pm
Weakness is relative. I knew a man who was 6'4" 250 and owned his own business and a Woman who was 5'6" 150 kept him as a slave. He simply had the inate desire to serve and She had the stronger will. The ideal fantasy is that the Woman is taller, heavier, older, more established, and makes more money but that sort of five tool player does not turn up that often. The key is, if there is something about Her that makes it imperative for you to obey. Wife was shorter, but powerfully built, older, more established in life, and when we met, our income was about the same. It didn't matter. The first time I saw Her my tongue hung out and the first time She put a hand on my behind I knew I would be Her slave for life if She permitted it.

obedient husbandAug 01 2008 7:06pm
John, Angel One was good. I certainly would not lead any revolutions against Mistress Beata if I lived there. Another episode which was not overtly about Femdom but involved slavery to a particular Woman was the one about Ardra, who demanded that an entire planet become Her slaves.

obedient husbandAug 01 2008 7:08pm
Strong women should be revered. Ask yourself this question, Where would be we be w/o a strong woman? I doubt we`d be here.
Obedient Husband: are there some websites that we can contact. Not much on here on the texas plains. Its great that you and your wife are so satisfied with your roles. Would do anything for a lifestyle like that
Tad, you have a very intersting story
aynonomous 7, an odd story to say the least. Get some professional help.
John, I also loved those early 70`s amazon flicks.
Will, most small guys become nepolionic *ssholes. your story is very refreshing. You are truly admirable

cool stuffAug 02 2008 8:56am
Most small guys who realize their physical existance, seek out a female equivalent. So we are the exception

AndAug 02 2008 2:30pm
cool stuff, just google key words that interest you and see what turns up. I have no idea about Texas Femdom.

obedient husbandAug 03 2008 5:27pm
I estimate that over the past two years, 90% of the new polls on this web site, www.LikeLike.com, have been about women who are strong, muscular, dominant or superior. Also, this web site seems to be one of the biggest meccas on the internet for those topics.

STNG FanAug 03 2008 7:55pm
This site is not for 200 lb men. But 120 lbers whos unqiue reality is that they are the weaker sex.Its a place where they can share their experiences

AnonymousAug 04 2008 5:51am
#0031 - (Mon.) * 8/4/08

UpdateAug 04 2008 1:44pm
I think I might have been 8 or 9. Both my mother and father were working and we had a nanny to take care of me. This nanny was a rather big, good looking girl perhaps 22-23 years old from Finland. I was quite a wild kid and ran around the house all the time making it difficult for my nanny to do other things. One day she just got tired and while she was standing making dinner she got hold of me and locked me in a standing leg scissors, my head between her thighs, under her skirt. She told me she would keep me there until she had finished what she was doing. I of course tried to get out of her grip but she was just too strong. I started to feel her legs, clad in sheer nylons and felt it quite pleasant, despite my position. Our Finnish nanny realized that this was a good way to calm me down and used her leg scissors on me many many times after that. When I was 10 she wanted me to be quite when she was watching tv (my parents were away) and locked me between her legs and holding her hand over my mouth. I was now bigger but still had no chance against this Finnish Amazon. I remember having a hardon that evening. I don't think she noticed. She left us the year after and I really missed her. I grew up and had a perfectly normal life with a few normal relationships (but with sexual fantasies including leg scissors). I kept contact with our nanny sending her x-mast cards and still missed her scissors and the excitement of being held prisoner between her strong legs. When I was about 30 I had a job that included a lot of travelling and one day I was in my ex-nanny's hometowm in Finland. I had a weekend free from work and decided to find her, I had the address from sending the x-mascards. She got a shock seeing me at her door but very soon hugged me and almost lifted me into her flat. She was still very beatiful, heavier but very attractive with wide shoulders and hips, big breasts and strong looking thighs and calves (yes I couldn't keep my eyes of those legs that been in my fantasy ever since my child hood). She was recently divorced and her only child hade moved out so she wanted me to stay the evening to talk about the years since she was my nanny. We drank vodka drinks and became a bit drunk when I asked her if she remembered the leg scissors she used to put me in. She said yes and surprised me that if I didn't behave she could still do it to me. Now I am a very slim man and never have been strong, just fit like a runner. She must have outweighed me with more than 25 lbs. She suddenly attacked me and with a suprisingly high speed throw one leg over my head and caught me in a body scissors (sitting on her couch). I tried to get out (I really did) but her legs were very strong. She suddenly shifted the position and now I was stuck in a head scissors. I had to give up since she was squeezing real hard. I told her that I wasn't prepared so we squared of for a real match. She seem to know how to wrestle since she quickly forced me down with a head look and than again forced my body between her legs. She made me submit again, I really couldn't enjoy being between her legs this time since it hurt too much. Suddenly she changed and told me to strip or she would beat me up for real! I was now sure she could do whatever she liked with me and stripped. That evening I learnt how to treat a dominant woman in bed, she kept her stay ups on and I could now and than caress her lovely but deadly legs and I felt that this was the first time in my life that this was the way I liked to have sex. All these years of waiting for a dominant woman to show me and it was my old nanny that did it, most probably the same woman that had created this desire in me. I stayed with her the rest of the weekend, a lot of time between her legs and giving her pleasure but she also attended to my needs. I went back home to my country and after one or two years found a dominant, physically stronger woman that is now my wife. I have to thank my Finnish nanny for that.

Love to be scissoredAug 05 2008 5:39am
Great story Love to be scissored. I fully understand how you became a submissive person that love strong women with big strong legs. She really trained you for it this Finnish lady, first when you were a kid and than as an adult. Nice to hear that you have found a woman that can fullfill your fantasy. How big is your wife? Is she a lot stronger than you? Has she got the same strong legs as your ex Nanny? Do you still have contact with your old Nanny?

CuriousAug 05 2008 1:57pm
Thanks Curious. My ex nanny really changed my taste in women for real that weekend in Finland. I went back to her a couple of times after that visit but she wanted me to find a woman my own age. She trained me to serve women in the best of ways, no real humilation, just showed me that she was stronger and could do with me what she wanted. No violence except for some really hard squeezes that almost made me pass out, her legs were really very strong. I still write x-mascards and my nanny of course was at my wedding. My wife is of similar build as the Finnish lady. Tall, wide shoulders and of course fantastic legs with coming down from wide hips. Big muscular thighs yet very attractive, strong bulging calves. She has an athletic background as discus thrower and she is a lot stronger than me and all my male friends as well. Luckily this woman never wanted a man bigger and stronger than herself. She wants to be the boss in the relationship but she treats me well and most days we live a perfectly equal life. Until we get into our bedroom where she changes from Dr Jekyll to Mrs Hyde. If I don't do as she wants straight away she can take me over her lap and spank me (again, never to hard but it hurts I can tell you). I have to see that she is satisfied before it's my turn. But I am very happy this way.

Love to be scissoredAug 05 2008 11:17pm
saw a stronger woman than myself in starbucks. Legs the size of treetrunks. bulging calves. Big thick forarms and upper arms.her upper torso was much thicker, and she was 4 inches taller. Im sure in any fight, she would kill me. And yet, it is those kind of women who turn me on

AnonymousAug 06 2008 12:28pm
#0036 - (Thu.) * 8/7/08

UpdateAug 07 2008 10:00am
Sounds as if all you men are stuck in preadolesence(discovery phase), therefore u all need to get laid

AnonymousAug 08 2008 7:05am
Believe me, I have been well used by strong aggressive Women in my time.

obedient husbandAug 09 2008 6:08pm
I don't believe you. If it were true, you wouldn't need to talk about it so much. My guess is you are single and alone. Your posts are manifestations of your unattainable fantasies.

DellSep 10 2008 5:18pm
Dell that's like saying someone who likes to talk about any topic such as wine, talks about it because they have never had any. In my first year in the local club scene I was used by 27 different Women. It fell off after that because I got tired of offering my bare behind for a ten minute beating by a bored club domme. A couple of years after that a Woman picked me up at museum, took me home and kept me as a slave for fifteen years. She finally ordered me to marry Her. She has loaned me to other strong Women from time to time. It is a turn on to share these things with others and to provide hope to those just starting out in the lifestyle that if they sincerely wish to serve Womankind, they may find SHE who will take them as property.

obedient husbandSep 11 2008 5:44pm
#0041 - (Mon.) * 9/15/08

UpdateSep 15 2008 9:49pm
That story is just too ridiculous for normal people to believe. Your fantasies run so deep you have lost perception of what is believable. She kept you as a slave and you had no opportunity to escape? Listen to yourself. You had to be a willing participant to allow this to happen. If that is the case, you were not a slave, you were acting on your own free will. She was not keeping you as a slave, she was allowing you to act out your preferences. The fact is, most women are not attracted to submissive men. I am not opposed to your lifestyle choice, I just believe you are letting your imagination run wild. Most guys who are that hung up on female domination never find a woman open minded enough to play along. That is why I have doubts that she even exists. Because your stories are far fetched and not probable.

DellSep 16 2008 10:45am
Obviously becoming a Woman's slave is a consensual act and if one wishes to leave one can. However, once accepting such a position the male voluntarily surrenders free will and accepts the authority of his Mistress. Certainly there are people who simply post fantasies on these pages and it is good that they have an outlet. However, the existence of Female Led Relationships, Goddess Worship churches and clubs and societies that cater to Femdom oriented relationships is a known fact. How successful people are in using these vehicles to achieve a desired lifestyle depends on the person.

obedient husbandSep 16 2008 3:26pm
Im single and dont date very often because I have real fantasies about strong dominant women since early teens. I applaud obedient husband for finding someone of that persuation. The truth of the matter is though, finding a strong dominant woman who actually likes submissive men is so rare. And at this point I cant change my sexual orientation, so maybe I will find her, but I probably wont. Being a submissive male is detriment. It is a sentence to loneliness. If I could do it over again it would be different, but I cant. So I accept who I am and hope I will find someone compatible

:)Sep 18 2008 1:47pm
#0045 - (Fri.) * 9/19/08

UpdateSep 19 2008 9:19pm
Actually there are a number of strong Dominant Women looking for "submissives" males who want to submit to them and obey them. What many of them are NOT looking to do is to play out a male's fantasy of how he submits. There are openings in Female Led households for true male slaves but there are not that many Women who want to dress to match the male's fantasy, use the implement the male fantasizes about, or only be "Dominant" on play night. If :) is truly seeking to serve a Woman on Her terms She will find him and take him. If he is looking merely for someone to act out HIS fantasies then he probably will not find such a person. Wife may beat me every day for a week, and then not touch me for a month. The point is, it is HER decision not mine, and I think the fact that I accept that is why She keeps me around.

obedient husbandSep 21 2008 5:42pm
obedient husband, I was just wondering if law became such what if a woman got tired of her man (slave) and wanted a new one and it was perfectly legal to kill the old slave or slaves if she didn't want him or them around anymore, but she didn't want any other woman to have him or them, if your wife and you lived with that kind of law being practice, do you think your wife would have it in her to do a way with you with no regrets and even enjoy doing the deed???

JoanSep 25 2008 10:19pm
Ms. Joan, Ma'am, She does not seem to be tired of me, even after 16 years so it is tough to speculate. On occasion other Women have inquired as to my availability so I think She would probably sell me to one of them.

obedient husbandSep 26 2008 3:58pm
Yeah but if you get tired and sick, you wont be a worthy slave to sell, and you would be worthless to her. So your wealthy powerful wife pays off law enforcement and then kills you herself or she hires some underground Jack Kevorkian clone to do it for her in a medical setting. This stuff goes on among the wealthy all the time. So being completely submissive to someone who is mighty and powerful is not such a good thing in the long haul.

AnonymousJan 05 2009 1:44pm
Those things are for HER to determine, not me. I am chattel. I am used and disciplined whenever She wishes and my future is HER'S to determine.

obedient husbandJan 05 2009 7:32pm
One day you grow sick and tired and she is still strong and healthy. She sees you as useless without any value, so she decides to put you down like you would a horse? lol have fun while it lasts

AnonymousJan 06 2009 9:44am
I am a male age 23. I remember at an early age seeing my father naked and being spanked by my mother. My mother used a paddle and I use to laugh at seeing his penis and balls bounce when he was hit. His rear end would be very red and he would be crying after mother was finished. I also seen my older sister use the paddle on father. I was never punished like this, but enjoyed seeing him cry.

DavidJan 08 2009 4:19pm
David, why did your Mother and Sister not punish you as well. In most Female Supremacist households the disciplining of young males is important so that they are properly trained so that when they come of age they can be placed with Dominant Women as husbands or concubines. You do not expect your Mother and Sister to support you forever, do you?

obedient husbandJan 09 2009 7:44pm
When I realized all those hot chicks or just average women were stronger.

weak manJan 14 2009 7:11am
I completely relate to Tad's experience, that is, during first or second grade, seeing a girl pin a boy. On the one hand, this sight of total 'girl power' threatened my belief that girls couldn't beat boys. On the other hand, seeing the girl confidently hold the boy down and seeing him wriggling helplessly beneath her was exciting to watch. I don't think at that age, it registered to me as sexual excitement, but I knew it excited me in some 'unknown' way. Then, a few years later, I saw 007 film Octopussy. There is a great scene toward the end of the film where an all-girl army completely dominate their male opponents with a whole series of graceful and sexy acrobatic moves. At first the scene threatened me. But as the scene progressed, I was amazed to find myself getting a full erection. It was a confusing experience, and my ego was unsettled, but my crotch was revealing my true feelings!

AndrewAug 20 2009 6:58pm
I first developed fetish for women's strength when i was first lifted and carried by my house maid, actually i slipped in bathroom and hurt myself , i could barely walk, my house maid tried to support me so that i can walk, but unable to walk i sat on the floor, she then lifted me and carried me to the bedroom, i got erected, that day i got a taste of female strength.

ManishNov 09 2009 1:31am
I was 12 when I fully realized my attraction to muscular, powerful woman. At first it was the muscles and superior physique that attracted and totally aroused me. But I soon realized that my fantasies always turned to feats of strength and being overpowered. I would be in a state of arousal and lust the entire class, and this would be noticed and was quite humiliating and embarrasing to me. But I loved the feeling of how her body and muscles just totally contolled me, and I loved feeling totally helpless to her - so I indulged every class

KeithMay 29 2010 2:29pm
Seems too bad that the "normal" male response is the "normal" male answer for most everything . . you oughta just go get laid. That right there is where masculinity has arrived in this culture. I think I was six when I saw that schoolyard games went a lot better when six-year-old women [sic] were in charge. To me that was such a release, such a liberation from an imagined responsibility I knew I had no business with. I found it a big thrill when some little girl bossed me around, because right then I saw that we BOTH understood who should be in control. Now, sixty-five years later, I recognize myself as a "male lesbian", in the language of Gilmartin, in his "Love Shy" . . A sort of taxonomy (1980's) of us males that aren't completely sure we are right, or maybe who recognize some anima within, to go along with the animus. A male has to be right by definition, more or less. Isn't that what patriarchy is all about, and always has been? Now I'm very comfortable in my own skin, so people who offer unsolicited and free advice about what I should do are just wildly comical. That sort of male has no idea manifestly of who he is, so what validity could be imagined in such advice? Worth every cent it cost, no doubt. What I should be doing is what I should be doing, and I've damn near figured that out! Now we live in an era when most managers are women, most college graduates are women, most higher degree holders are women, and little men are dropping out of school, finding the lack the resilience required not to be standard equipment in the Y-chromosome model. While all the details can't be known, a lot is known about life before patriarchy, and it's too clear and too funn6 the way what goes around comes around. I'm not at all suggesting men are useless. I suggest only that men should learn their place and do work that women can't do better, or else face the permanent insecurity of being laid off when a younger, more intelligent, and less demanding female comes along. I adore women and I don't hate men one git. I love being a man, for what better perspective could one have to see the proper role for women? If I were to suddently become a woman, I'd be up poo's creek for not knowing how to cope. But as a male, I know it's quite acceptable, maybe even slightly endearing, to be half dope and half clod. Hey guys, old FDR said there was nothing to fear but fear itself. True, true, but let us remember that males come with a whole lot of fears, so no wonder it's a tall order for totally "straights" to wipe their tears and be brave. The final joke is that it doesn't matter who gets it and who doesn't. The result can not be affected!

LarryJul 11 2010 10:27am
When I was very young I held a girl down by her wrists and made her cry. That same girl started swimming and soon had ribbons for winning but she aslo had wider shoulders and bigger muscles and by ten to twelve years old she was bigger and stronger than me. The girl next door at thirteen years old wrestled me into exhaustion and painfully pinned me until I couldn't move and was so weak that she was literally crushing me until I couldn't breath. The thing is I had my first orgasm while being muscled into a hold by the girl I held down and made cry! SHE WAS NOW STRONGER THAN ME AND MORE MUSCULAR! I couldn't help it and didn't know what was happening as I squirted. Then pinned as I was she pushed one hand into my shorts and did as she pleased. I was in a trap having orgasms... my first. So I've put sex and female muscle together ever since!

BlakeJul 17 2010 11:18pm
I was 16 when I understood that female strength excited me, I was a skinny, weak kid so I guess a lot of girls then were stronger than me but as a boy I thought that I had an advantage just because of my sex. A 12 year old gymnast changed all that! I was asked to take care of our neighbour's daughter over night, from Friday evening to Saturday evening. I never had a lot of contact with this girl but the money interested me. So I came over Friday evening, cooked something simple to have ready when she came from gymnast practice. The first thing that stroke me was that she had grown a hell of a lot. She was a bit shorter than me but a lot, and I mean a log wider. Broad, muscular shoulders, big arms, rather big breasts for a 12 year old, wide hips, big very powerful legs. She looked older than her age. We had dinner and then we watched tv. At midnight I told her that her parents wanted her to go to bed. She smiled and said that they were not there. I said that they had specifically told me to tell her and that she had to to what I told her. She stood in front of me and said, why don't you make me? She had a sleeveless muscle shirt and shorts and looked very strong, I felt scrawny next to her but tried to say that if she didn't do what I told her I would tell her parents. She then said that let's wrestle, if I can beat her she would go to bed, if she won she could do whatever she liked. I told her that this was stupid, I really wasn't sure that I could beat this muscular kid. She then pushed me so I almost fell and I got angry.The so called wrestling match started. I am afraid that this was a very one sided affair. She had been a gymnast since she was 4-5 years old, practicing 4-5 times a week. The last years also with weights. I am sure that she was twice as strong as me in her arms and probably 3-4 times stronger in her legs. She threw me around, pinned me, scissored me until I begged her to stop. I was absolutely powerless to stop her from what she did, that was to pin one arm under her, the other above my head leaving her with one arm free. She told her that I was now her boyfriend that she could do whatever she wanted with. I she caressed me all over and I was very ashamed to feel that I got excited, this kid did things to me that I had never experienced. Well, nothing really serious happened that night either that I was at her mercy for several hours. I avoided her after this incident, until 6 years later. I had moved away from home but came home to take care of my folk's house when they went to Europe for 2 weeks. The second night somebody was at the door. There was the neighbour girl that I first didn't recognize. When she told me who she was I let her in, she looked really good, had filled out more and grown so she was now my height. Again a lot weider and heavier than me. She had kept on doing gymnastics, not in the top league but still very active. We actually had a good time together with a lot of laughs. We had a couple of beers and she asked me if remembered when I was baby sitting her. I got very embarrassed and said yes. She asked me if I wanted to get even with her, to wrestle her again? I first said no, but then she said that nobody will ever find out, it was just between the two of us. So we stripped down to our under wear and started to wrestle. I was as outclassed as the first time or probably even worse since she had become a lot stronger and I hadn't. Again she dominated me with holds that I had never heard of, she pinned me she threw me around without hurting me too much and even lifted me over her shoulders etc. At the end she had me in the same way as 6 years earlier, I was helpless, she had full control of my body and could do exactly what she wanted with me. This time she did a lot more than the previous. She wasn't my first but she was the one that changed me, I have ever since been turned on by powerful women and was lucky to find a strong (stronger) wife some years later. Sorry for the long posting but this girl really changed me completely.

Hal BJul 19 2010 2:44am
I developed a fetish for female domination when few months back i was lifted by my cousin sister

AnkitJul 26 2010 12:22pm
Andrew, same thing with me and the movie ?Octopussy?. I was 2nd grade. The movie was pretty good but the ending really got my attention. The main woman in the movie was getting revenge against a very powerful man and his male defenders. But it turns into a huge Battle of the Sexes when she shows up with an all girl force. The woman first trick the men by using their sexual power. After the men get aroused, the women then attack them. The women then DESTROY the men. The women are beautiful and very athletic. This whole scene caused me to get very ERECT. I was so aroused, I don't even remember how the movie ended. So that is when I started to realize that I liked to see women dominate men. Even when I watch his movie on reruns, I still get very erect when that scene plays.

JeffSep 06 2010 9:38am
When I was 12 years old I watched my mom beat my dad at armwrestling and I could see her muscles looked stronger. I've had an attraction ever since.

BobSep 18 2010 7:52pm
Wow! Like Andrew and Jeff, it was Octopussy that started my female domination fantasies. I too was a boy when I saw this film and that scene of the all-girl army using their acrobatic skills to totally demolish the men blew me away. At first I found the scene demeaning, but soon humiliation gave way to an unbelievable excitement. Watching these girls fight and outclass the men gave me a raging hard on! The scene was an absoluate awakening and it inspired so many sexual fantasies - I just love the idea of women banding together to beat male armies. The women wear catsuits and are highly acrobatic. I love the thought of the women high-fiving each other as they stand over the defeated bodies of their male opponents. Female skill and ingenuity wins over male brute force! GIRL POWER!

SeanNov 01 2010 7:50pm
I am not sure I ever had fantasies before they became realities. At about 10 years old a large neighborhood girl used to let all the boys to be body and head scissored. She would make us all give up. I would get hard just waiting for my turn. I wrestled with every girlfriend I ever had and went steady all the way thriugh high schoolwith two gymnasts for quite a while who could both submit me and liked it. At that time I was 6'4" 175 lbs and a three sport letterman so I learned Early that strong smaller women could win. Since then through college and over the last 30 years I have wrestled about 200 women including at least 25 pros off the http/wb270 site (female bodybuilders) my wife and I use wrestling as foreplay and I stll get hard waiting for it. I love to be submitted and I love hard body strong women which my wife us.

WrestleDadNov 16 2010 1:38am
I had a babysitter staying with me when I was 10 years old. I was running through the house and bumped into her carrying dinner. It made a mess and she grabbed me by the arm and put me over her knees. She began to spank me then pulled down my pants then my underpants. She spanked me till my butt was red and sore. However, it was the first time that I noticed my own erection. As I struggled, I had been stimulated by her bare thighs below the hem of her dress. I was dripping clear fluid and I can't help but think she knew because she seemed to clamp her thighs together around my erection as she paddled my bottom. Eventually I had an orgasm and spurted all over her legs and onto the floor. She became furious and asked what on earth had I done now. She ordered me off her lap and told me to strip. I did and she made me stand in the corner completely naked while she cleaned up the floor and between her thighs. She finally ran a bath and completely bathed me which was really humiliating. However, I became hard again and she soaped up my genitals until I spurted again. She told me that I was nasty but she seemed to be very curious during the times that I would get an erection and cum. She was only sixteen therefore only six years older than me. She babysat for me for another two years until she went off to college then my parents allowed me to stay at home on my own after 13 anyway. However, during those two years, she would make me strip and masturbate in front of her. She even had a girlfriend come over a couple of times to watch me get punished or humiliated. Now that I am grown, I want a woman to do the same to me that she did when I was young. I know this is abnormal but I can not get the erotic images out of my head.

JohnnyFeb 03 2011 3:32pm
johnny that sound like she i a female perv

bobbyMay 13 2011 1:22pm
i am currently 14 and like "hal b" i was ( 2 months ago ) made to "babysit" a 12 year old girl one evening she has large well developed breats and looks about 16 she is 5ft11 i am 5ft5 she is finished puberty at 12 i started when i was 13. anyway she was wearing her pyjamas a sleevless crop top howing her six pac. and her muscular arms. at 10.30pm it was time for her bed i told her and she said o if i beat you in wretling i stay up if not i go to bed without arguing. i accepted. BIG MISTAKE. she pinned me multiple times and then bear hugged me i couldnt breath properly i screamed let me go nowwwwwwwww she asked me if i lost i said yes when she put me down i said deal off she shouted "how dare you and squezed me i screamed after a inute or 2 she threw me on the sofa and smiled ok i will go if i can let you sit on my shoulders for a minute ( now through out the wrestling i had had a huge erection) so i acepted when i got sat on her shoulders she stood up and said deals of i couldnt get down so shewalked around then stood on the spot with me on her shoulders for about 1 hour and 30 mins even more embaressing yet arouseing she would yawn then sqaut i thiught she didnt know about my erection but when her parents car pulled up he threw me on the sofa ran out the room then poked her head though the door and said toby dont get aroued next time and ran off layghing

batted and arousedMay 13 2011 1:33pm
You ask, "at what age did you realize your orientation?" In my case just after puberty, which I think was when I was about 13 years old. It was then that I discovered my submissive nature. In fact whenever I saw an attractive teenage girl, every fiber of my being cried out, "Beat me, please beat me". For some strange reason I cannot explain I wanted so much to suffer at the hands of the sex I so much wanted to be.

faceunder1Aug 04 2011 9:47am
When I was about 14 I first had fantasies of girls tying me up and teasing for long periods, prolonging my erection and finally giving me an orgasm in some way. Those fantasies actually went away for a few years, then I had a phase where I looked at girls in bondage on the internet. Now I fantasize about both things, depending on my mood. (I am currently in my early 20's), but I mainly like to be submissive. I haven't lost my virginity yet, but I fantasize quite often about aggressive girls who want obedient submission. I'm also not into the hardcore stuff-none of that spanking or ball-busting or anything painful. I just like mild role-playing and physical helplessness, switching between me and the girl, but mostly me in bondage. I also feel it's very important to understand those desires as safe role-playing, not genuine scenarios for potential abuse for either the man or woman.

shy city boySep 24 2011 2:42am
It all began when I was twelve. I saw the movie Planet Earth on television for the first time. It was about a female dominated civilization in the distant future where all males are slaves. This excited me alot. I especially liked the scene where they had the slave auction. A few nights later, I was lying in bed and I began thinking about that movie, and that's when I masturbated for the first time. I fantasized that I was a young male in that place. Now in the movie, the males were clothed, but in my fantasy, the males were totally naked. I believe that in a society like that, males would be kept nude. I imagined that I was twenty years old, real muscular and lean, with a washboard stomach, and that I had a huge c*ck and huge balls. I was put on the auction block in front of all these beautiful, horny women. Then the woman who was doing the auction said that I was one of the best studs they had for sale that day. I flexed all my muscles so the women could see how strong I was, the the bidding began. Finally, a woman won the bid, and before she purchased me, she wanted to inspect me herself, to be sure she really wanted me. She felt my muscles, and squeezed my butt. Then she examined my gentals to be sure they were healthy. She finally told the woman doing the auction that she'll take me, beacause she wanted a good breeder for her eighteen year-old daughter.

BenFeb 25 2012 10:47pm
If a man has a HE syndrome (humiliatory erection syndrome) he will get aroused by Femdom !

G-ashX9Mar 13 2012 12:13pm
If he has a VE syndrome I.e. Victorious Erection Syndrome he will get hard thinking of Maledom fantasies !!!

G - ashX9Mar 13 2012 12:15pm
I remember Planet Earth. I wanted to be Marg's dink.

obedient husbandMar 27 2012 4:04pm
Obedient husband, I assume you read my comment. Actually, the Planet Earth movie wasn't all that good. I liked the idea of a female-dominated civilization, with males as slaves, but it could have been better. For one thing, the males were fully clothed. Now they can't show nudity on television, but the males could have worn just some skimpy loin cloths that covered just their genitals and butts. They could have been barefoot and shirtless. During the slave auction, the males removed their shirts so that the women could see how strong they were. But in a situation like that, the males would have to be nude on the auction block so that the women could see their genitals. After all, the size of a male's penis would greatly affect his price, wouldn't it? Also, they didn't show much in the way of lashings and beatings. Also, the males were all drugged to make them obedient and fearful. I like the idea of women using their own powers to dominate males, not some drug.

BenMar 28 2012 8:14pm
The movie OctoPussy! I was about 14 when two friends (both girls) and I snuck in to see it. The movie was ok until it got to the scene where the all female army attacked the all male army. I remember being shocked when the scene first started, I had never seen this before. Women in bikinis and tight clothes fighting the men. All the women in the theatre seemed to come alive, cheering for the women. The girls I was with really became animated and excited about what was happening. It was very confusing to me because up until that point, my male ego had ruled. But now, watching the women defeat the men, seeing the women cheer as they did it, well, my penis became very, very erect. After the movie, I wanted to sit for a while until my erection went away, but it never did. My two friends caught on to what was happening, which only made them laugh and mock me. I got home as soon as I could so I could masturbate it away. This scene affected me in a big way, and that was when I began to discover the power of women.

The Girls WonApr 27 2012 7:25am
Well Ben, for 1970's TV it was fairly daring. Today, with cable the scenes could be more sexual.

obedient husbandMay 01 2012 7:03pm
When i was about 11 we had a big house and used to rent out rooms,one of the biggest rooms was let to two young women called Gail and sue,they both came from up north, Gail was a crazzy zanny person,one day we just started wrestling eachother and she being much bigger,easily overpowered me and got me on my back on the floor,before i knew what was happening she sat astride me on my stomach and pinned my wrists to the floor,She looked down at me and saild ive got you now havent i, i remember how good it made me feel,I was totaly helpless under her,I think she would have been about 5-7 ish, and i didnt fancy girls then but she had a lovely figure and was pretty,she kept me there for ages sitting back and forth on my stomach and chest sometimes useing her knees to pin my arms,she did the same to me many times after that it was the greatest time of my life, and one time she sat on me in linslade park for over two hours,Then it all stoped when she moved back up north, God i missed her.....

GaryMay 24 2012 6:26am
At what age did Count Leopold von Sacher-Masoch start gettin' masochistic fantasies ?,?,!!

Ash-x9Aug 26 2012 5:42am
I can remember as early as age 5 being aroused when an older girl tied my feet together with a stethoscope

mattOct 23 2012 10:05pm
For me. I, was raised with all Women. My father left when I was seven, and my mom was left alone with my three sisters, and me. My mom was very strict towards me, and made me do the work around the house. My sisters and my eldest sisters daughter, got to do what ever they wanted. My mom would take them for girls night out, and never included me. Instead, I had to clean the house, and do up all the bedrooms. I learned very quickly, that men (me) were slaves, and that Women are superior, and in charge. As, I got older I gravitated towards controlling Women, I started waiting hand and foot of, my first owner, and realized fully than I enjoy being dominated and controlled by Women, and that I liked pleasuring and pleasing Women, to better there lives, since I know Women are superior. I am proud to call myself a Female Supremacist.

Slave Justin (WomenWorshiper)Nov 02 2012 10:36pm
So did your first owner dump you or She sell you to a second owner?

obedient husbandJun 17 2013 6:46pm
In late pre-teen and teen years, boys are frequently under the authority of women - babysitters, female teachers, female Vice-principals and principals, school nurses, etc. (yes mothers and older sisters are on the list but let's not go there to protect moral sensibilities - though step-mothers and step-sisters can and often do figure into these situations). It reads like a "Who's who in boys fantasies". These situations are not necessarily sexual (I'm giving the women involved the benefit of the doubt here), but are perceived as such by boys discovering their sexuality. The babysitter spanks (perhaps his bare butt naked)and bathes the young boy(obviously naked perhaps even undressed by her), with the incidental contact becoming sexually meaningful to the boy. The boy learns that there are significant consequences to not obeying her. His surrender to her is linked to the pleasure he feels from her touch as he is bathed. He also learns that even a female just a few years older than him can wield this power - contributing to his feeling of powerlessness and need to comply to "a girl". The female teacher judges, scolds and (in the old days) spanks the young boy (perhaps again his bare butt naked) - again significant consequences for not pleasing and obeying a female authority. Female Vice-principals and Principals are also female authority figures that wield punishment, figuratively or (in the old days) literally (remember the "Board of Education"). The young boy learns that failure to please/obey his teacher will put him at greater peril with an even more powerful female. School nurses, while not sources of punishment, are sources of pain and embarrassment. We are ordered to remove our clothes by a uniformed female stranger. The uniform indicates her authority over us. We are completely naked and exposed and subject to her gaze, her touch, her probing (does anyone remember the "turn your head and cough" sessions?) her measuring (Do they still weigh and measure boys completely naked or measure a boy's intimate anatomy?). We feel a loss of control (disorienting drugs and medical restraint) and infliction of pain (with scary needles, and other frightening medical equipment). Add to this the non-sexual authority of the mother or older sisters or implied sexual authority of a step-mother or older step-sisters and you have a boy's world utterly dominated by women of authority who are older, bigger, and far more powerful than them. Even if these women commit no sexual violation, the incidental contact and message is that the boy must obey women and do his best to please women in authority over him. In an adolescent boy heading for, or going through, puberty these experiences become "sexualized". On top of this, most female authority figures are in their 30's, at the height of their sexual power and attractiveness. Boys just entering the sexual world are at the height of their sexual need and confusion, ill-equipped to deal with the visual and pheremonal stimulation they are bombarded with daily. How many boys develop "crushes" on their female teachers? (and how many female teachers sexually prey on young boys under their authority?). Incidental genital contact during spanking (between a boys genitals and the woman's thighs, whether the boy is naked or not, inextricably links sexual stimulation with pain and humiliation at the hands of a powerful women. When a female authority figure forces a boy to pull down his pants and "assume the position" for spanking or paddling or, even worse, takes physical control of the boy, forcibly pulls his pants down and forces him into "the position" for corporal punishment, she is training him to be submissive to her and all other women. Perception becomes reality for the boy even if every female authority figure acts innocently. I think these factors are the leading causes of male submissiveness. Our need to please and obey women becomes a comfortable role we play out again and again as we date (with the reward of sex for proper submissive behavior) and eventually marry (Yes,dear - need I say more?). Add to this mix a woman or women who do enjoy humiliating, punishing or controlling a boy for their sexual amusement or fulfillment of some sort of power trip, and you would have a chronic male submissive that may take it to the extremes of humiliation, pain, and enslavement.

Dr. SubmaleOct 06 2013 1:52am
I too learned of my male submissive feelings by my reaction to media. When the original Star Trek series first aired the episode "Spock's Brain", the sexual implications were lost on me, but as the reruns aired during my adolescence, it did not take me long to understand the phrase "Givers of pain and delight". All the women were beautiful and scantily clad. All the men were forced to wear "pain belts" that could be activated by any female to encourage proper male submissive behavior and obedience. Similar femdom themes were implied in an episode called "Wink of an Eye", where an alien female who has been "accelerated" to a faster level of existence brings Kirk up to her level. She likes him and fondles him almost like a pet and then explains that he needs to cooperate with her because one scratch from her sharp well polished fingernails will cause him to "burn out" and die. Another original series episode "Plato's Step-children" also implied femdom themes. People with tele-kinetic abilities use their powers to control our heroes and the "Queen" of these people watches with kinky satisfaction as Kirk (who she seems to fancy) is controlled like a puppet and humiliated. I can still remember the evil superior smirk she holds as her husband forces Kirk to submit to humiliation and worse. As a previous post mentioned, Star Trek TNG also did a female dominated society in "Angel One" where the women were in political and military control of the men. The women were tall, beautiful, aggressive, and obviously from their attitudes - female supremacists. Most of the males were smaller, frail, feminized, and submissive. Resisting males (there were a few) were to be hunted down and executed for opposing the gynarchy. Sounds like the inspiration for some of the more militant feminist posts on this blog. I also enjoyed "Planet Earth" from the pen of Roddenberry as a female supremacist leader, played by Diana Muldaur, and her ideological sisters drugged their men into submission - making them fear and obey their feminine betters (imagine what they could have done with Copulins). The culture is filled with other examples too plentiful to list here, but one more does bear mentioning - "All That Glitters". It was a Norman Lear sitcom that showed us a world where gender roles were reversed. The women were successful and sexually aggressive (think "womanizer" without the "wo"). They pawed, sexually harassed, practically raped the men they wanted. The men were timid victims who fell in line as submissive playthings or doting househusbands cheated on by their letcherous "cougar" wives. Lois Nettleton played the worst of them and played it with such sexual avarice - she turned me on. Seeing a world where women controlled men and men obeyed women just re-enforced all the other pre-porn media influences of my life. Once I got to porn, there was no escape.

ThrallOct 06 2013 3:05am
When I was 12 I was still being babysat by the same girl that had babysat me for years (Karen). She was 17 the last time she sat for my parents. The night started out normal enough until Karen insisted that I go upstairs and get ready for my bath. I protested insisting that I only took showers now. She reminded me of years past when she had to make sure I got a bath before going to bed and tonight would be no different. She followed me upstairs and started running the bath water. I stood their embarrassed and angry. She turned to me and said "Well, get your clothes off". "Not with you here!" I protested. "Take them off or I will take them off for you!" she yelled. I tried to resist but she was too tall and strong. In moments she had me naked and was throwing all my clothes down the laundry chute built into the wall. She looked down at me smirking. "I think you like me." she said pointing to my stiffening member. "Now, you will do as I say or I will tell your Mother that you tried to touch me in naughty ways. Who do you think she will believe?" She ordered me into the bath and proceeded to bath me. It was so humiliating having a 17 year old girl see me naked and bathe me. Karen ordered me out of the bath and dried me. Then she told me that I would have to stay naked the rest of the evening as punishment for my naughty thoughts about her. The rest of the night she continued to smirk as she looked at my naked body. She finally let me put my pajamas on before my parents got home.

AshamedOct 07 2013 12:27am
I do not remember which character Lois Nettleton played but I do remember the movie director was described as a "manizer". At the time of that show I was in law school and there was a character named Andrea who was a big tough lawyer. I wanted to be a slave to Andrea.

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ThrallOct 12 2013 11:57pm
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