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It looks like the last thread (http://www.likelike.com/pollcommentary/4470) has stopped working, so we can use this one to continue the discussion. StanMar 21 2021 10:50pm Hey Stan, it‘s absolute fascinating that girls became that strong over the last years. Sometimes i wonder how Tim manage his situation because now he is by far the weakest between all the females around him. Sometimes i‘m intimidiated if i‘m close to a girl who curls dumbbells with 35 lb or more for reps and i know, i can‘t even lift them. I‘m curious what Katie will write about it when she beated down these guys. I made also experiences like this several times, but unfortunately i‘m not aware what i made wrong so these girls had beaten me up wirhout any reason so far my opinion. Henni Mar 22 2021 5:28am I know, it's insane how common it's becoming for girls Katie's age and younger to be significantly stronger than most men. Tim's just lucky her and Aubrey don't misuse it. Like I said before, I think girls like them are going to be very common in a few years. Few of them will be as strong as Katie, but I'm 100% sure that in 4 or 5 years the vast majority of 12-year-old girls will be stronger than the average man. Katie is as strong as she is because she has a natural talent and she's been working out since she was 6, but apparently right now the majority of girls that age have already started working out, my aunt told me most of the girls in her 2nd grade class have been doing some sports or exercise since kindergarten. A bit later today I'll be helping out with my aunt's 2nd grade class field trip, and I'm curious to see how true the things she's been telling me are. StanMar 22 2021 7:14am Hey Tim noticed it stopped working too, so he set me up to talk here. The two men I overpowered were Tim and a creepy guy who lives near my school. You know what I did to Tim. However, the guy that lived near my school was someone that I didn’t want to overpower but kind of had to. He was creepily following and watching my friend and I walking home from school. He was following from not too far behind so I let him catch up a bit and he bumped into us and touched my friends butt, so I grabbed his shirt collar and pinned him to a chain link fence. He started pushing on me trying to get out, but I was pretty mad so I held him firm and my friend and I began yelling at him. He was extremely rude and kept insulting us and trying to hit me, and when he finally did, I walked towards him and punched him hard in the gut. He made a weird noise and fell onto his knees and began tearing up. I pulled him up by his collar, lifted him by his legs and laid him on the fence before pushing him to the other side. After that, he never came out or followed us again, as he had stared at us and followed us before. The two boys were John and max, but both of them were challenging me to strength challenges at school. John was no challenge, and max, whom challenged me recently is so light and weak one of my arms is almost as strong as his entire body, he is like 4’10 and 70 lbs. I cannot curl him or anything but I can lift him a bit off the floor with one hand. So I overpowered him very easily. I also could overpower John very easily. Katie Mar 22 2021 8:31am Hey Stan, hope it turns out to be a good field trip, and be sure to tell if anything interesting happens. Since I’m still faster than Katie I’ve been helping her increase her speed in return for her helping me workout. I’m in a bit of trouble in that department as I am desperately far from catching up to her and I don’t think I’ll ever be able to. Her curls are going up and I’ve been finding out that my earlier posts weren’t very accurate in the sense that Katie wasn’t trying at all. When I thought we were close in strength I was quite wrong she must’ve just been holding back, because our strength difference is quite shocking. Some of her new curl records use dumbbells to heavy for me to even lift let alone curl. I doubt I’ll ever get close to her, as she can also squat more than I can reasonably lift. She’s just stronger than me in every muscle group now by quite a bit. She’s also gained some speed since I started helping her run faster. Aubrey too has gotten quite a bit stronger than I’d imagine she could’ve. Though she is only barely stronger than me in the upper body, she is still only my twelve year old daughter. And since I’ve been spending a lot more time with my daughter, Amanda, and Katie recently I’ve really gotten used to extremely strong women. Honestly their strength is crazy to imagine. Amanda is somehow stronger than Katie, and though our relationship is amazing it’s crazy to imagine how easily she could crush or extinguish me. Katie, despite being so much younger and shorter could also easily crush me and if she wanted to, end my life. Both of these women have shown me their strength and I am far beyond impressed. The most recent time Katie bear hugged me I really got to feel her crushing strength. She squeezed tight, but not really near her maximum tightness, but even so, the sheer power she exuded was beyond anything I could ever conceive of exuding myself. She hugged me and the sheer strength and power of her body just immediately pulled my feet from the floor and made me feel every muscle in her arms easily push against and pressure every rib I have and every bone in my torso. It made me think that if she really tried to hug me as hard as possible she could snap me in half. Also after one of our workout sessions, Katie wrapped her arm around my shoulders and congratulated me, but I noticed her arm was heavy around my shoulders and I realized that weight had to be muscle, so I really am shocked at the sheer power she has. TimMar 22 2021 8:46am So I recently got back from helping out on the field trip, and it turns out my aunt wasn’t exaggerating at all. For context, my aunt teaches 2nd grade (age 7 and 8) and she needed another adult to keep an eye on her students on this field trip, nobody at the school was free so she asked me if I’d do it. Pretty much as soon as I arrived at the drop-off point I could see she was telling the truth about how athletic the girls in her class were. It was a hot day so they were all wearing short-sleeved t-shirts and shorts, and most of them had biceps that were visible on their arms even when unflexed. A couple of them were wearing shirts that exposed a little bit of their midriffs, and I could see 6-pack abs. I asked my aunt about it, and she said that out of the 7 girls in her class, 5 of them had been participating in organized sports or working out at least since the start of the 1st grade, many since kindergarten. The other 2 had only started recently. The ones who started earlier were mostly gymnasts, a lot of them did swimming and team sports as well, and all of them did general exercise and weightlifting to build up the fitness and strength required for their other sports. None of the boys did anything like that. We had to walk through the woods to get to the lake, and my aunt was talking to them about nature and wildlife and stuff. I could see how the girls treated the boys in the class as we walked, they were completely dominant over them. Most of the girls had boys carrying their bags, and when a girl finished her packet of chips or candy she would just drop the packaging on the ground and a boy would pick it up after her. One boy was eating some chips, and it looked good to one of the girls so she just walked up to him and told him to give it to her. He seemed reluctant, so she stepped up close to him, stared into his face as he looked away, and flexed one of her arm muscles. It was really impressive, very well-defined with a high peak, her arm about doubled in size when she flexed. The boy gave her the chips. I also saw one boy bump into a girl, and she gave him a really hard shove that sent him flying and landed him on his back, he started to apologize profusely, he looked really scared. I felt pretty sorry for the boys in that class. When we got to the lake my aunt and the kids took a trip on a boat, I stayed behind. When they got back it was time for lunch, my aunt was arguing with the boat company guy over something so the kids and I sat down at some picnic tables to eat. The girls were still bossing around the boys, they already had a lot more food with them but many of them just took some of the boys’ food as well, without even asking. They also ordered the boys to go buy them a drink from the vending machines or go refill their water from the fountain. The girls and I sat at the table while the boys sat on the ground, and when any of them was called by any of the girls they’d immediately jump up and do what they were told. Apart from giving them orders, they totally ignored the boys. Eventually the girls started talking about their sports and workout routines, and one of them asked me if I worked out. I said that I didn’t, and she replied that she could see that by looking at me. A different girl asked how much I could bench-press, and I told them that I could lift 20kg, or maybe a bit more. Some of the girls laughed, one of them said she could lift more than that, and a couple of others agreed. Then, all of them wanted to arm-wrestle me. I was kind of dreading that this would happen, but I was too curious not to agree. The first girl and I were pretty evenly matched, but I ended up winning in the end, and that made me think this might not be as embarrassing as I was fearing. Then the second girl beat me in less than 30 seconds, and that hope was crushed. I ended up winning against both of the girls who weren’t athletic, and narrowly beating one of the girls who was athletic. 2 of the other girls beat me fairly narrowly, and the other 2 beat me decisively. In total I beat 3 of them and lost to 4. StanMar 22 2021 3:25pm We were all pretty surprised by this. Like I said, I’m very weak for a guy my age, I’m pretty sure I’m about the strength of the average 14-year-old boy. None of these girls would be as strong as a normal man (though I think one of them isn’t far off), but 4 out of 7 of them were stronger than a normal 14-year-old boy! I thought that was insane. It turns out that if a girl starts seriously training at the age of 5 or 6, it’s not hard for her to get to this level of strength by the 2nd grade! And these days the majority of girls do start training at that age. Keep in mind that this wasn’t a gym or a sports club, this was a regular 2nd grade class in a regular school, and this was a sample of all 2nd graders and not just the athletic ones. I know the girls in this class aren’t unusual, my aunt said the other classes of the same grade are the same, and my brother and my friend’s sister go to different schools and they told me it’s about the same there as well. If most of these girls are as strong as a 14-year-old now, it’ll only be 2 or 3 years until they’re as strong as a grown man! They might not get to Katie’s level, but I’m pretty sure all of them will at least be at Aubrey’s level at the age of 11 at the latest, many will get there even earlier. It appears that in only a few years it will be completely normal for a 10-11 year old girl to be stronger than most men. I just hope they’re as respectful as Katie when that happens. StanMar 22 2021 3:27pm Wow, that field trip sounds like it was really eventful. And I agree with your conclusion. I’ve noticed that girls are getting stronger and guys just aren’t. I too hope that these future girls will operate with the restraint of Katie. So after some of the girls beat you arm wrestling at lunch did they do anything else to you on the trip? TimMar 22 2021 3:57pm Yeah, they started treating me differently after that. After they beat me I asked if they were stronger than the rest of the boys in their school. The two who beat me easily were significantly stronger than even the oldest boys, and the other 3 athletic girls were stronger than almost all of them, there were 2 or 3 8th graders who they can't quite beat yet. They bragged about how they treat the older boys pretty much the same as they treat the boys in their class, often even worse. Some of the boys have female friends who protect them, but almost all of the others are defenseless. These girls make them carry their stuff, give them their money, do most of their homework, serve them food and drinks at recess, that sort of thing. They also enjoy beating them up and humiliating them just for fun, one of the stronger girls bragged about how she knocked an 8th grader out cold. They explained how they don't do that to the boys in their class (unless they do something to deserve it) because it would be too easy, but a 14-year-old is fair game. After they found out that most of them were stronger than me, they started treating me in a somewhat similar fashion. They didn't try to beat me up or anything, but they lost all respect for me. One of the girls who beat me easily told me to buy her a coke from the vending machine, then gave me a hard stare until I got up to do it. Later, as we were walking back, one of them came up behind me, wrapped her arms around my thighs, and lifted me up. She ignored my instructions to put me down, and handed me to her friend, who spun me around a few times before dumping me on the ground when the teacher told her to stop. Before the armwrestling, when I told one of them that she was moving too far away from the group, she came back, but now they totally ignored me. When I chased after one of them and reached out to put my hand on her shoulder, she grabbed my arm, twisted it behind my back, and pushed me down so I landed face-first in the dirt. The girl who beat me the most easily started trying to intimidate me in the same way my friend's youngest sister does, she lifted her shirt a bit with one hand to show her abs and flexed the muscle of her other arm. It worked, I was pretty intimidated, and I did my best to stay away from her for the rest of the day. I'm quite worried about how these girls behave, it'll only be a year or so until most of them are stronger than most high school boys, and about 3 years until they're stronger than most adults. The strongest one beat me even faster than my friend's sister, she might get there by 9, and she might even be as strong as Katie when she's her age. If they don't become more mature, they'll start treating adults in the same way they treat the older boys in their school now. Back when most girls didn't become stronger than the average man until they were 14 it was OK, because most girls that age are mature enough to handle it, but soon most 10 and 11-year-old girls will be as strong as that, and that will be a big problem, I think most of them will still have this sadistic attitude. If I were you I'd be careful about leaving the house without Katie or Aubrey or Amanda with you. StanMar 22 2021 6:43pm I’m sorry to hear they acted that way. That’s pretty rough, but not too surprising. I actually had an experience with a 15 year old girl earlier today but luckily Katie was with me. While I’d never been challenged by a teenage girl before, this girl was just a mean spirited girl and she had been bullying some men and decided I was next. I had just left a store with Katie and Katie was waiting in the bathroom, but this girl came up to me and grabbed my shirt collar. She said “ah my next boy toy.†And she slammed me into a fence. I tried out wrestling her, but she was too strong and she began to get mad. She grabbed my neck and started applying pressure. Before it could get too bad two hands grabbed her arms and pulled them off me. Her and Katie wrestled for a minute and Katie managed to stalemate her and slightly overpower her, prompting her to run away, but I have no doubt that without Katie I would’ve been screwed in that situation. TimMar 22 2021 7:00pm Yeah, that's the kind of thing that's going to be happening all the time in a few years, only the girl will be younger. Most 15-year-olds don't want to do that sort of thing (although this one did), but I think when most 10 and 11-year-old girls have the ability to they'll be doing it constantly, it will be really dangerous for men. Good thing Katie was there! Obviously she could beat a 15-year-old boy in her sleep, but to beat a 15-year-old girl is very impressive, really shows how strong she is. It sounds like she was definitely only using a fraction of her strength against you at first. She said last week that she's almost as strong as her mom, which means she must be insanely powerful. StanMar 22 2021 7:58pm Yeah I’m lucky she is willing to protect me like she does. She also likely did only use a small portion of her strength against me as that 15 year old was so much stronger than me I couldn’t even move her, and Katie matched her and even very slightly overpowered her. So I am lucky Katie is mature. If she wasn’t as mature as she is, she’d be a severe threat to a huge group of people. TimMar 22 2021 8:25pm I mean honestly just her physique is enough to nearly scare me, especially if she wanted to. TimMar 22 2021 8:28pm It's great that Katie's so responsible and only uses her strength in self-defense or in a restrained, held-back way she's doing something like wrestling, and it's also great that she's willing to defend you, you'll need it. I'm worried about the new generation, most of them will never get to Katie's level but the majority of girls even a couple of years younger than her will still be strong enough to beat up most men, and a lot of them won't be as mature as Katie. We'll all have to watch our backs. Small guys like me will be especially vulnerable, I learned today that even most 2nd grade girls are stronger than me, I wish I had someone like Katie around to help. Yeah, someone as strong as her would have to have an incredible physique. Most of the girls I met today did as well (obviously not to the same extent), they had 6 or even 8-pack abs and huge arms when flexed. I've found that a lot of girls that age are actually a lot stronger than their physiques would suggest though, someone who didn't know better might severely underestimate what they could do just by looking at them. StanMar 22 2021 9:41pm She has a nice 8-pack as well and her arms are at least over 14 inches. Anything else happen on that field trip or with your friend’s sister? TimMar 22 2021 11:30pm This is really intimidating you told about the girls. I hope most girls will handle their physical power responable. But i‘m sure, especially when girls surpass all males step by step, they will be encouraged to try how strong they are and show to males who is the boss. I think for the weaker ones it was always the case that they were submissive. Nowadays who girls are stronger usualy, males are submissive mostly. I think most girls are nice because males are very nice and respectful to girls because they dont want to provoke girls. But i made several bad experiences with girls. Some of the girls in my class has bulied me. The one or other time maybe i had decerved it but i think some girls want only to show that they can surpress a weaker guy. This become less when i had a girlfriend. Henni Mar 23 2021 3:32am Not much else happened on the trip, just more of the same sort of thing. Some of the girls made a game of quietly sneaking up behind me and picking me up by my legs, then leaning forward so I fell down face-first into the ground, one time the girl grabbed one of my legs after that and dragged me along the ground for a while. A couple of them did the intimidation thing for the rest of the day as well, when my aunt was talking to the class they would sneak behind her and flex and show their abs, so me and the other kids could see them but their teacher had her back to them. I tried to ignore them, but it was hard. One girl made me feel her bicep while I felt my own bicep at the same time, the difference in consistency was huge, her flexed arm was thicker than mine. One of the girls was nicer, she told me there was no shame in losing to them, and that by the standards of a guy who weighs as little as I do I'm actually pretty strong. I don't know if that's true or if she was just trying to make me feel better, she could probably tell I was feeling a little ashamed. It would be hard not to feel that way in that situation, I'm still finding it hard to wrap my head around the fact that the average 2nd grade girl is stronger than me. One of the boys told me the same girls who bully him also bully his 14-year-old brother, and that he has a 9-year-old sister who's basically in charge of the house when their mom is away. I did see some of them again today, this morning I had to go to my aunt's school to pick up the money I was promised, and I saw lots of boys who looked as old as 8th grade following around girls as young as 2nd grade carrying their bags and taking their orders. One of the girls on the field trip was doing pull-ups on the playground equipment as I was leaving the school, she saw me and jogged up to me but I ran away as fast as I could. I live close to this school and I'm genuinely afraid of going near it now, especially at around the time school finishes and all the kids will be on the street at the same time. That situation might not be too dangerous for guys like Tim and Henni, but small guys like me really have to watch out. StanMar 23 2021 8:57am Yeah Stan that sounds pretty dangerous. Luckily for me, I’m stronger than the average 4th grade girl, but perhaps not by a ton. I am about on par with the average 6th or 7th grade girl I’d assume, as Katie and Aubrey are both in 6th grade. Katie is far stronger than I’ve ever been, and Aubrey is a tiny bit stronger than me in the arms and core. If the average sixth grade girl is as strong or stronger than Aubrey, I’m weaker than them. I do know at least a couple of other sixth graders are that strong as when I went to pick up important school work for Aubrey. A little 6th grader maybe a half inch taller than Aubrey was able to lift me off the floor. Also Aubrey has occasionally pushed her strength now that she can beat me sometimes. We also all measured biceps this morning, and Katie’s are 14.5 inches of almost pure muscle, Amanda’s are 14.5 with no fat, Aubrey’s are 11.75 with a tiny bit of fat and mine are still only 11.5 but almost all the fat on my arm is gone. However, I also felt for texture and consistency, and Amanda and Katie’s biceps felt like reinforced steel, and Katie’s felt pretty hard too, and I felt mine and sadly all girl had harder and bigger biceps. Aubrey has now lifted me three times, and last night after dinner I gave her a hug and embarrassingly she lifted me and carried me to my room before telling me as her dad I must be tired and that it was time to go to bed before she grabbed my wrists and after a fist struggle pinned my arms. So yeah, I am certainly very proud of Katie Aubrey and Amanda, but I may have to rely on Amanda for discipline as I have no authority over the girls really, which I just realized. TimMar 23 2021 9:27am I think you're probably about equal in strength or slightly below to the average 6th grade girl as well, that sounds about right for a man of above average strength like you. I think Aubrey is normal in strength for a girl her age, but most girls her age have already been working out for at least a couple of years, so the fact she could get there after less than a month is still really impressive. She's progressing so fast it will probably be only a few weeks before she'd have no trouble at all beating you in wrestling, especially if she can already pin your arms. You're stronger than most 4th graders right now, but when the current generation of girls in 2nd grade and below are that age I think even a man like you will be weaker than most of them. Yeah, I can see how it would be hard for Aubrey and Katie to take you seriously now, I saw the attitude of the girls on the field trip completely change when they realized they were stronger than me, they totally stopped respecting my authority. I'm sure Katie and Aubrey will never start treating you the way they started treating me, it would still be hard for them to accent discipline from someone they could easily overpower. If I were you I'm sure I'd be terrified of reprimanding Katie given the ease with which she could knock you out, I definitely wouldn't want to risk making her angry. It's probably a good idea to leave that sort of thing to Amanda. StanMar 23 2021 10:30am Yeah fair point Stan. I don’t worry about it yet, as both Katie and Aubrey are good kids and for the most part both listen when I command them, even if they are a little reluctant. Although, were she a little bit different or maybe having a bad day, I’d be especially terrified to anger Katie. I can maybe handle Aubrey overall I’d say our whole bodies compared I'm a little less than 2% stronger than her. Aubrey has me beat in the upper body region and hamstrings and flutes, but I have her in speed the rest of the lower body, height, and weight. Aubrey and I already had a fun little wrestling match and she had me nearly beat for most the match, but near the end I was able to tie up the match. Her arms are strong enough to keep mine trapped, but that’s it. She can overpower my arms and hold them useless but it isn’t easy for her. Katie on the other hand, would be unbelievable if she were to be angry with me. We found out yesterday when I asked her to pick me up a bit that she can easily carry me on her shoulders, upside down, and she can hold back my arms and upset body by wrapping one arm around my arms, I literally cannot break out. It wasn’t very easy for her to totally restrain me with one arm, but she still could. She also can suplex me, so if she decides to disrespect me or got angry and decided to beat me up, I’d just scream for help from Amanda I guess. It’s sad to think about, but she could probably quite nearly literally tear me apart. TimMar 23 2021 11:58am Wow, if she can do that to a guy like you she could probably beat at least 5 guys my size at the same time. It sounds like there's more strength in one of her arms than there is in both of your's! Aubrey would have no trouble at all beating me as well. My friend's sister's friend Emma can beat me in armwrestling when I use both my hands and she only uses one of her's, and she can also lift me up by standing on a chair and placing her hands under my armpits, then hoisting me up into the air. If she holds me like that against a wall she can keep me there pretty much indefinitely. Has Katie ever tried to do either of those things? StanMar 23 2021 12:17pm Katie has sort of done both of those. She can fairly easily lift me by the hip with her arms and pin me to a wall nearly indefinitely. She has also stood on a chair and hoisted me into the air by her hands under my armpit after she saw Amanda lift me that way. In our most recent arm wrestle I used all my effort against her one arm with both of my arms, and I held her back for over a minute but her arm overpowered my arms. She also just possesses so much raw strength it’s crazy. She has less than Amanda, but she still has an unbelievable amount, especially for someone of her age, and kind of her size. She is short, but she is just a very big person and insanely solid. She can easily overpower me and effortlessly just do basically whatever she wants to me. I mean once as a joke she lifted me out of the kitchen brought me to our middle pantry and put me on the only ledge in the middle of the pantry and closed the door. So I am just astounded by her strength even after all this time. TimMar 23 2021 12:40pm Just now i was in a hardware store and bought stone flower pots we want to have in our garden, each one was pretty heavy because they were boxed and hard to handle. Anyway at home i got an park spot close to the door but there are still some meters to go. I thought how i can carry the pots into our garden without have the possibility to have a short break and put down the pots when i‘m exhausted because there is no possibilty to do that on the way between the car and our garden. Suddenly there was Maria behind me and asked if she can help me. She is one of these 14 yo girls i had this contest the weekend before last weekend. She said that these stone pots are very heavy for a weak male. Because she is used to lift heavy it‘s no problem for her. During she carried one pot after the other we talked a little. It was obvious she had not really a problem to carry them. I would not be able to talk while carrying them but i‘m just a man only. She as girl is much stronger than me. There are also nice girls! Henni Mar 23 2021 12:50pm That’s good that she helped you Henni. I am always happy to find nice strong girls, I am glad Aubrey and Katie are nice, because I too have now run into some not nice strong girls, so it’s good to have some muscle to help me out on my side. I had to quit going to my gym now and use the lightest weights in Katie’s home gym. Young girls that are aggressive have overrun my gym. TimMar 23 2021 12:56pm I went to my nearest gym about 6 hours ago and for whatever reason it was overrun with young girls and they were fairly aggressive and mean. Most were around Katie’s age, and luckily Katie and Aubrey were also at the gym though for a while they were in the yoga room and were talking to the other young girls while I was in the weight room with the rest of the young girls. When I was curling some of them laughed at me, and a pretty big one, who was at least a few inches taller than Katie and maybe a year older laughed out loud and told me I was too weak for her gym. I told her that saying stuff like that is rude. She just told me that she was always honest. I told her she shouldn’t insult an adult man and that I would get her into trouble if necessary. That was a mistake because she said “how weak boy?†And she put me in a headlock with her right arm and covered my mouth with her left. She then dragged me down as she squatted and I got to the point where my chin rested on the floor before she sprung upright and leaned far to the left, lifting me totally off the ground in a completely strangling headlock. My throat was being crushed and I couldn’t breathe at all and this girl started fully flexing her bicep into my throat, and my face went kind of purple as I could see in the mirror. She was leaning back and to the left even more and for a second I thought I might die, but Katie and Aubrey came rushing out and somehow convinced her to let me go.I had been brought to tears regrettably and could barley function for a minute or two but Aubrey carried me to the car and put me in while Katie tried to hold off the girl. Katie and the girls were pretty evenly matched from what her and Aubrey said, so Aubrey had to help her and then after a couple of seconds I drove into another nearby parking lot and rested for a few minutes before driving home. If girls like that exist, I cannot go to that gym again. TimMar 23 2021 1:07pm Yeah, it‘s good to have girsl with muscles who are nice to weak guys. For now, the girls in the gym are nice to me. But the gym is also a place everyone show their body and strength. When i‘m there of course i‘m as man the weakest and also my muscles are pretty small compared to girl muscles. Sometimes i see how some girls laugh over this weak guy next to them and think it‘s funny that i‘m so weak. Henni Mar 23 2021 1:14pm That‘s crazy that this girl was that aggresive. She know that a man is much weaker than her and she should take care to him. I think these girls can show that they are stronger on another way. But maybe you should be more submissive in front of such girls because you are a man. If a girl become bossy in front of me i appologze me, i shouldn’t had say anything. If these girl commands me to do anything i would do it likely. The same, Stan experienced with these girls from his excursion. They know that they can control him because he is a man and because of this he is weaker than girls. It‘s not nice but what can he do? Henni Mar 23 2021 1:30pm Yeah I think I’ll just generally be more submissive in the future since, like you said, what else can we do. Without Katie and Aubrey I have no idea what would’ve happened in there, but it would’ve been really bad for me. TimMar 23 2021 1:40pm It's really bad that that girl would do that, it must have been really scary. The fact that she was evenly matched with Katie shows how girls like her aren't actually that uncommon, although she was a bit older. Pretty soon when the majority of girls Katie's age are strong enough to easily overpower most men (though most of them won't be at Katie's level) there will be a lot of potential threats out there, and if even 10% of them are like the girl who attacked you then we'll start to see it happening every day. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure it'll be far more than 10%. There will also be plenty of girls as young as 10 who will be strong enough to do that (hell I know an 8-year-old who is, though she doesn't have that personality), and I think an even greater percentage of girls that age will be inclined to abuse their strength. The younger one of these girls is, the less mature she is, and the more likely she is to be aggressive like that. Yeah, I learned to be more submissive a while ago, and that's how I acted on the field trip. When the girls told me to buy them something or refill their drinks I didn't argue, and after my failed attempt to stop that one from straying away from the group I stopped trying to enforce any of the rules. At one point I was making a phone call, and one of the girls interrupted me and told me to give her my phone. I briefly thought about saying no, then hung up and handed it to her. I was worried she would just keep it when she was done, but she dropped it on the ground and let me pick it up. If she had kept it I wouldn't have been able to do anything about it, I probably wouldn't have even tried. I also didn't tell my aunt about how they were behaving, even the next day, what if I ran into one of them on the street and she wanted revenge. It was definitely unwise to to talk back to any of the girls in the gym, the fact that they were in a gym means they're almost guaranteed to be athletic, and almost all athletic girls around Katie and Aubrey's age or even a bit younger will be significantly stronger than even an above average man like you. For your own safety it would be better to just endure the mockery. If you ever do go to a gym again, make sure Katie or at least Aubrey never leaves your side. StanMar 23 2021 2:32pm Yeah I’m really scared of that girl right now. The gym is pretty close to Amanda’s apartment (where we’re living now) and apparently that girl threatened to break me in half if I ever talked back to her again. I hope I don’t see her anymore. That must be what it feels like living near that school with the 2nd grade field trip girl that beat you and then when you returned to school chased you. I have hid in the apartment from this gym girl and I am kind of scared to go out. I can only imagine how you feel with that girl Stan. Hopefully you’ve been able to avoid her. TimMar 23 2021 3:21pm Yes, you had luck that the girls protected you. If the girl who attacked you was well physically trained, it‘s not uncommon that she could overpower you that easy with her 13 years. Moreover if her muscles are bigger it‘s no wonder that she is stronger. If i workout in the gym next to girls it‘s also obvious in body shape who is stronger. Very often the girls have bigger muscles than me. But i‘m an average man as well what means i‘m generally weaker than girls! Maybe you should ask Amanda or Katie or Aubrey if they go with you into the gym because you as weak man should not go alone to such dangerous places. It always better to have a strong girl who protecting you. I do it in same way and also Stan stated he would also always ask a girl he knows who acompany him. Henni Mar 23 2021 3:24pm Yeah, I'm pretty nervous. Nobody threatened to break me in half or anything, but I think if one of them caught me there's a good chance she'd want to have some fun by overpowering and humiliating me like they do with the older boys in their school, and that would be bad enough especially if it's in public. It's like with my friend's youngest sister, they're used to being stronger than teenage boys but I'm one of the few adults they're significantly stronger than, and I think they find that especially exciting. I did see 2 of those girls just a couple hours ago, but it went OK. I had an appointment at the bank, which is just around the corner from the school, so I called my friend and said that if his sister came over and walked with me there and back I'd give her $20. It was actually Emma who showed up, but that's just as good. She accompanied me to the bank, and as we were walking back I saw 2 of the girls from the field trip, though neither of them was the one who chased me out of the schoolyard. They noticed me and started to walk toward me, but Emma got ahead of me and went to talk to them. She's about their age but she's already stronger than an average man, and she looks it, so that was enough to make them walk away. I asked Emma later what they talked about, and she said she told them that they and their friends should leave me alone, and if any of them do anything to me they'll have to answer to her. I feel a bit safer now, but I'm still going to avoid that area unless it's completely necessary, and if I have to go near there I'll definitely have Emma or someone else with me. StanMar 23 2021 4:27pm Yeah I’ll have Aubrey and or Katie go most places with me now. Aubrey will probably be who I take., after all she is my daughter. Katie maybe stronger but Aubrey has stronger arms than me at the very least. Her arms are actually strong enough that both her arms can overpower one of Katie’s arms, sadly a feat I cannot match. My daughter also has kind of noticeable muscles for some intimidation or at least recognition. TimMar 23 2021 4:45pm That's a good idea. The difference in strength between you and Aubrey might be fairly small now, but at the rate she's progressing I'm guessing it's getting noticeably larger every day, it'll probably be only a couple weeks or possibly even sooner before she'll be able to easily beat you in wrestling. You're relatively strong for a man, so if her arms are stronger then they're definitely stronger than the vast majority of men's. By the time she can comfortably beat you in wrestling she'll be much more powerful than almost all men, and she'll be perfectly capable of protecting you. If she can pin both your arms and even carry you to your bed a couple days ago and carry you to the car earlier today then her arms must be very strong already, I'd guess significantly stronger than your's. When she carried you to the car, how did she do that? StanMar 23 2021 5:29pm She cradled me to the car mainly using her arms to support my back TimMar 23 2021 5:48pm Good thing she did that, if you couldn't even walk then it was good to get you away from the fighting. It must have looked a bit odd to see her carrying you like that to anyone who saw and isn't familiar with how things have been changing recently. You said before that you think the average 6th grade girl is about Aubrey's strength or stronger, and that sounds about right to me, given that most of them have been working out for a lot longer than her. Have you ever met any of Aubrey and Katie's other friends, or the other girls in their grade? StanMar 23 2021 7:11pm The only other girl I’ve met that is sort of their friend is Aubrey’s friend Tiffany, and she was a fairly well built girl as she was a dancer, but while I was surprised at how strong she looked when I first met her, she didn’t try to lift me, and she did ask for an arm wrestle, but I could beat her easily enough. TimMar 23 2021 7:23pm That's to be expected as well, assuming you are at the level of the average 6th grader that would mean you're stronger than about half of them. Dancers can be very fit, but arm muscles aren't usually very important for that, so I wouldn't expect a girl who only does that and not much other training to be that good at armwrestling. Given that I'm about at the level as the average 9th grade boy, I think I'm about as strong now as the average 6th grade girl used to be about 10 years ago, before it was common for girls to start working out at a young age. Now, I'm apparently at the level of the average 2nd grade girl, which really shows how much things have changed. I think when the current 2nd graders get to the 4th or 5th grade most of them will be stronger than the average man and about at your level, and by the time they're in 6th grade almost all of them will be stronger than you. StanMar 23 2021 8:09pm I wouldn’t doubt if. I see so many strong girls now it’s ridiculous TimMar 23 2021 8:51pm I told my brother about what happened on the field trip, and he wasn't surprised at all, he said that if I'd told him before he'd have advised me not to go. He explained to me what it's like in his school. He's 13 but he started school a year late so he's still in the 6th grade, and his school only goes up to the 6th grade, so he's the oldest person there. He's also a lot bigger than I was at his age, probably because we have different fathers, so him and I are pretty evenly matched, and he thinks he's probably the strongest boy in his school. Despite this, the majority of 2nd grade girls are stronger than him and there are many who can easily overpower him, as can the vast majority of girls in the 3rd grade and up. There are even a couple of 1st graders who can narrowly beat him in armwrestling. The other boys in his grade are all weaker than him, so the strength disparity between them and the younger girls is even greater. Every single boy is weaker than every single girl of the same age, and most of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th grade girls have been working out for years so they're stronger even than the boys who are much older than them. He said his school works exactly like my aunt's, probably to an even greater degree as the oldest boys (other than him) are only 12, so almost all of them are weaker than the average 2nd grade girl. 99% of the bullying that goes on is girls bullying boys, very often bullying boys several grades ahead of them. The boys are afraid of them, and mostly just do what they're told, so it's common to see 5th and 6th grade boys taking orders from 2nd and 3rd grade girls, even sometimes from 1st graders. It's apparently become kind of a right-of-passage for the youngest girls to overpower their first 6th grader and make him submit. My brother doesn't get bullied as much as most of his classmates, mostly because he has a female friend about a year and a half younger than him in his class, but he's still gotten beaten up a few times when she wasn't around. It sounds like a terrible situation, and I'm concerned about how these girls will act when they're Katie's age any most of them will be far stronger than the average adult. For small guys like me it's already dangerous. StanMar 24 2021 11:21am Yeah Stan that doesn’t sound very good. And I know what you mean. Today Katie pranked me and to be honest for a second I was pretty scared, so to imagine girls without her restraint walking around the place and challenging men is terrifying. I mean her prank was I woke up and she was in my room and she climbed onto the bed as I sat up (Amanda was at work) and I asked her what was up. She jokingly said “go back to bed big man†and grabbed my wrists. In a second or so she had instantly pinned me to the bed. She then grabbed my shoulders and flipped me over pinning my face to the bed. She then said “ha got ya†and let me go and stood up off the bed. She extended a hand which I took and to my surprise she jerked my arm and pulled me off the bed into the air and onto her left shoulder. She held under my arms and placed me onto the ground asking if I could make breakfast, I said sure and got everything except the flower ready when Aubrey decided that she too would prank me. As I walked towards the pantry, Aubrey grabbed my forearms and twisted my arms behind my back before lifting me off the ground by my arms. She laughed and showed Katie before putting me down and saying “sorry dad just checking something outâ€. These two girls are very polite and kind and only rarely play jokes on me, but if either of them wished me ill I’d be in grave danger. Though not quite able to lift me with one arm Katie can very easily force my body about with one arm and can easily pull, push, or rag fill me lightly about with a single arm, so if she used both at even most of her power with the intent to hurt me, the only person I’ve ever met who could save me is Amanda. Luckily, Katie wouldn’t do that, but still... a scary thought. TimMar 24 2021 12:32pm I imagine it must be unnerving to live with two girls that age who are capable of manhandling you like that, and that will be even more true pretty soon when Aubrey becomes capable of beating you in wrestling. If she can already lift you up so easily then she must be pretty close already. It sounds like Katie's getting stronger as well, she said before she's almost as strong as her mom and her biceps are already the same size, so it might not be too long before she actually overtakes Amanda as well. At that point she'll be the strongest person in the house, and even Amanda would have trouble stopping her if she took things too far. I kinda know what that's like, I've been spending a lot of time at my friend's house, sometimes sleeping there, partially because the air conditioning in my apartment isn't working and partially because I feel a bit safer there, despite the presence of his youngest sister. Their mom is away at the moment, and she left my friend in charge, though in practice it's definitely his 11-year-old sister who calls the shots, everyone else has to ask her permission to do a lot of things. Her 8-year-old sister and her friend Emma are in the house as well, and though his 8-year-old sister really wants to exert her strength over me the older sister makes her leave me alone, and Emma also stops her. All three girls aren't averse to playing the same kind of jokes on me, though they're usually careful not to hurt me. Today I was trying to reach something in a high shelf, and Emma offered to help by lifting me up a bit so I could reach. But afterward, instead of putting me down, she carried me over to a clothes peg set high in the wall, and hung me up by my shirt collar, so my legs were dangling in the air. I couldn't get down, and I stayed like that for half an hour while the girls played video games. Another time, the 11-year-old sister wanted to wrestle both me and her brother at the same time. She overpowered both of us easily, and ended up holding both of us in a headlock with either arm, and she kept us like that for a while as she watched TV. I still prefer it at my friend's house though, there's always someone to accompany me when I need to go outside, but it still feels odd being at the bottom of a pecking order that includes an 11-year-old and two 8-year-olds. StanMar 24 2021 2:28pm That’s nice, but also must be a little worrying. At least you probably haven’t had any issue with his youngest sister given the two other girls, but be careful. And yeah, it is a little unnerving to be in that situation. Katie is near Amanda still, she got a little stronger but she still can’t overpower Amanda luckily. Aubrey and I are still pretty evenly matched, if not even closer. But while we are close and I may be a tiny bit stronger than her overall, it barely matters since her arms are 100% stronger than mine everywhere, she has more ability to be stronger where it counts, so Aubrey can basically overpower me and in any fighting situation she wins. Katie is just too strong for me to ever even consider within my league even. TimMar 24 2021 2:50pm There are advantages to having a strong daughter, there's the protection, and also when something heavy needs to be lifted or there's some other task that requires muscles she can do that for you. If she isn't aggressive and doesn't go too far in the play-fighting it's a very good thing, if you can get over the hit to your ego. My friend's youngest sister is really scary though, she's works out more than anyone I know and she's obsessed with being able to overpower older males, she's trying really hard to get to the point where she's stronger than the average adult as fast as possible. She beat up an 8th grader last week and she wants to try with someone older next, probably a high school boy. Her sister has told her it can't be her brother or any of his friends (including me) so she's been out looking for a victim, I think that's what she's doing right now even. Most men aren't aware of how strong it's possible for young girls to get, and they're certainly not aware of how many girls are reaching those heights these days. There's a guy in my college who I'd talked to about my friend's sisters, but I think he thought I was exaggerating. Well, about a month ago the 11-year-old sister was walking with me next to a park, and I ran into the guy from my college. I insisted that he armwrestle the girl, just to prove it to him, and he was shocked when she beat him fairly easily. He's pretty tall, over 6 feet, and he's in decent shape, so while he could believe someone like me could lose to a girl that age he never thought one could beat him. Have you ever introduced Katie or Aubrey (after she started training) to any other guys around your age, like a friend or family member or co-worker? StanMar 24 2021 5:04pm My friend Bruce met both of them. He is 5’5†105 and I should point out this was recent and as of today I re-measured Katie she is 5’2†and weighs 128 lbs of like 95% muscle. Anyways Katie could very slightly lift him off the ground with one hand. So she was way stronger than him and he was scared of her. TimMar 24 2021 5:24pm At this point i see pretty often that men won’t believe that women and girls can be stronger. In the gym i see it often if new members start, the males wonder if it is really true what they see. Some try to use the same weight girls and women use but many hurts themselves because a male beginner can not lift that weights a girl or woman can lift with years of training experience. In the company i working for, we did a contest. In the warehouse they had to pack a pallet with some heavy and hard to handle boxes. There were two teams and each team had it’s own pallet to pack that fast as possible. The female team did this much faster and with less broken boxes. Especially with the boxes on the top of the stack the males had a lot trouble. The women were done after less than 15 minutes, the men need almost one hour. Also when i go shopping. I see a lot women who carry all this heavy stuff. The same was happens when i bought these stone pots. Without the help of Maria i would had need much more time to carry these heavy pots into the garden. Henni Mar 25 2021 2:31am I'm a couple of inches shorter than Bruce and I weigh a little less, if she can lift him with one hand she'd definitely be able to do the same to me. I can see why he'd be scared of her! He's gonna have to get used to that feeling, few girls are as strong as Katie but I'm sure the vast majority of girls her age and a bit younger would be able to overpower him very easily. I'm guessing Aubrey was also much stronger than him, did you test that as well? Yeah, I've seen a lot of guys surprised by how muscular young girls can be these days, I know a guy who's been working as a lifeguard at a pool for about a year and he told me he was shocked when he saw that the majority of the girls who come to swim have visible abs, especially the ones aged 9-13. I've seen the look on the faces of the guys on the street when I'm walking with one of my friend's sisters or with Emma and they're wearing clothes that allow their muscles to be visible. The most shocked looks I've gotten was from a time when her muscles weren't visible, though. I wanted to go to the store and Emma was the only one available to escort me, but she said she'd only do it if she could carry me on her shoulders the whole way. She was wearing loose pants and a baggy hoodie much too big for her, so she looked like a normal girl her age, and while I'm short I had a pretty full beard at the time so it was clear that I was an adult. I sat on her shoulders the whole time, including in the store as I was taking things of the shelves, and as I was paying at the counter. Everyone we passed stopped to stare at us, it must have looked bizarre to them. StanMar 25 2021 10:01am Aubrey is stronger than him too. Bruce curls 20 lbs for 3 reps usually Aubrey can curl 35 for 7 and 9 TimMar 25 2021 11:03am Aubrey is also an inch shorter but 5 pounds heavier. Also if you are a couple inches shorter than Bruce, are you Katie’s height? She’s 5’2 TimMar 25 2021 11:04am Last night we tested strength and did some physical measurements. Katie is 5’2†and 129.8, Aubrey is 5’4†and is 110 lbs. I am 5’9 and I have lost some weight which is mainly what I’ve been exercising to do, and I weigh 132 lbs now With Amanda being 137 lbs and 5’10â€. At my height and weight I’m skinny, but I still have fat just not much, but I don’t have a ton of muscle mass either. Katie has a ton of muscle mass. Her body weight is probably something like 97% or more muscle. Aubrey is like 90% muscle too, and Amanda is about the same as Katie being like 95% muscle. I’m like 80% muscle or less. But last night after our physicals were recorded. Aubrey and Katie got together to see if Aubrey is stronger than me and they came up with a plan. I didn’t know any of this at the time, until Aubrey called me into our room. I entered and Katie shut the door behind me standing in front of it. Aubrey looked me in the eye and flexed her bicep, which was a little over a quarter of an inch or so bigger than mine and said “Dad, I’m stronger than you now.†And she said “I just wanted to let you know that it doesn’t matter to me.†And she walked up and hugged me. But mid hug I realized it was a bit of a trick as she began bear hugging me. I couldn’t really wiggle my way out and Aubrey said “see dad I have upper body strength.†I literally couldn’t get her arms apart and realized I was outclassed in upper body. I then wrapped my legs around her hips and had her support my body weight before pulling myself back with my legs and body weight, allowing me to only just escape from her arms. She eventually caught me again and pinned my arms behind my back before lifting me on her shoulders and laying on me while pushing with all the strength in her arms pinning me helplessly to my bed and I tapped out, admitting Aubrey had finally surpassed me. TimMar 25 2021 11:26am I'm in between Katie and Aubrey's height, I'm 5'3" and about 100lbs last time I weighed myself. Aubrey was probably stronger than me even before she started training, and given Katie's natural strength and how long she's been working out she probably surpassed me at the age of 7 or 8. I'm not surprised Aubrey has surpassed you now, she's at an age where girls can pack on a lot of muscle really quickly if they work out, she has a great role model in Katie (and Amanda), and I bet Katie is really good at training her. If she can pin your arms that effectively then it sounds like her arm strength is progressing at an even faster rate than the rest of her body, I'm guessing she's been focusing on that in her training. Can she beat you convincingly in armwrestling now, or is it still close? Do you know if she's tested her strength against any of the boys in her school? StanMar 25 2021 12:59pm Like i had to learn it last week it’s normal that girls at 10 at least that strong like a guy. So Aubrey is 12 and because of this she is stronger than we men. And for sure she’s much stronger than the boys at her school. Henni Mar 25 2021 1:25pm I don’t know if Aubrey has tested her strength against her classmates recently, but I know when she began she was stronger than basically every boy. I also know Aubrey like Katie loves to train arms. Aubrey doesn’t train arms as much as Katie, but she almost does. She can also defeat me to the point where I wouldn’t call it that close anymore. Her arms are also way harder than mine now. Her biceps feel a lot harder than mine and are bigger too. TimMar 25 2021 2:05pm Tim, how big is her bicep now? When i compare my bicep with the male friends of mine, i’m not small but i’m only average as well. Compared to most of my female friends i have a small bicep of course. Henni Mar 25 2021 2:15pm Her biceps is almost 12 inches while mine is 11.5 TimMar 25 2021 2:25pm These days even girls who don't work out are stronger than almost every boy of the same age, so it's not surprising she had the boys in her class beat even before. Now if she's stronger than you it means she's stronger than the vast majority guys of high school age and below, even most of the ones who work out. That's not uncommon at all for girls her age, I'd say at least half of 6th graders are at that level. Obviously Katie is as well, she's probably been stronger than most high school boys for at least 3 or 4 years, and now she could beat 99.999% of them easily. StanMar 25 2021 5:27pm Yeah, I’ve been a fair bit stronger than everyone in my class since kindergarten. I’ve been stronger than most adult guys since like 4th or 5th grade at most, and I’ve been stronger than high schoolers since like 3rd grade. KatieMar 25 2021 6:06pm Wow! Given that I'm about the strength of the average 8th or 9th grade boy, you've definitely been stronger than I am now since at least 2nd grade, maybe even 1st! It sounds like ever since you started elementary school you've probably been stronger than most guys twice your age. The ability to overpower most high school guys and almost all middle schoolers too is a lot of power for a 3rd grader, were you always as restrained as you are now? StanMar 26 2021 11:14am When I started school I wasn’t as restrained. I remember in kindergarten I saw a ten year old boy bullying people on the playground so I wanted to stop him, and this was the closest I ever came to getting into real trouble. I walked up to him while he was yelling at a boy in my kindergarten class, and I told him to stop being so mean. He told me no and pushed me. In response I picked him up and body slammed him onto the sand he was on. He started crying and I grabbed him again and picked him up off the sand and pinned him against a fence and told him I’d beat him up if he was ever rude like that again. Katie Mar 26 2021 12:09pm I bet after a couple of incidents like that all the boys learned not to mess with you! I'm guessing that after they found out what you could do the older boys started treating you really nice, trying to stay on your good side, so you didn't often have a reason to use your muscles on anyone. Must have been pretty embarrassing for the teenagers to have to change their behavior out of fear of getting beat up by an 8-year-old! StanMar 26 2021 2:29pm I only really did it twice, but yeah pretty much everyone has been nice to me since then. KatieMar 27 2021 12:35pm Twice was probably all you needed, especially if there were lots of witnesses. Word would get around the school, and after seeing a kindgergartner easily overpowering a 10-year-old nobody would want to risk suffering the same fate. I would have made sure to be nice to you as well, I was about 12 when you were in kindergarten and I was probably smaller than the average 10-year-old, you could have done the same to me. Your dad mentioned that you have an 8-pack and 14.5 inch arms, so just the sight of you would remind anyone who has forgotten, biceps that size are usually visible even when not flexed and dwarf most adult's, let alone most teenager's. Do you remember what happened the other time you did something like that? StanMar 27 2021 1:49pm My brother (17) has a girlfriend (14) who is incredible strong. I’m 16 and my girlfriend is 13. Even though she is working out only for year she’s already stronger than than me and my brother. We have measured our biceps and compared to the girls it’s absolute ridiculous. My brother has 11†and i’m only 9â€. The girls have 13 1/2†and almost 15â€. What can i say, stronger muscles are simply bigger. It seems all the other men in this poll have also smaller muscles than the girls. How does it feels for you to be weaker than all girls. And for you girls, how does it feel to have boys with you who are much weaker. MarcMar 28 2021 1:36am I don't feel bad about being weaker than girls, it's been like that my whole life and I'm used to it. I'm fine with being weaker than almost all girls my own age and even teenage girls, but I do feel a bit bad about the fact I learned recently that I'm significantly weaker than most 8-year-old girls these days. I already knew that there were certain girls that age who are stronger than me, but the fact that it's now the majority of them stings a bit. It was hard not to feel a bit ashamed when I had to follow the orders of the 2nd graders on the school trip because I knew resisting would go badly for me, and when I have to ask one of my friend's sisters to accompany me when I go outside. It's also kind of scary, I've always been weaker than teenage girls but very few of them have tried to hurt me. Almost every time I've been hurt or intimidated it's been by a girl under 11, most of them are too young to be able to handle their power responsibly. If they were all like Katie it would be fine, but I think most of them aren't. StanMar 28 2021 1:45pm Meanwhile it common that a lot of girls and women working out. So it is not rarely anymore that men are weaker but mostly. Around me i know no girl anymore who is that weak like a man. The other way around i know no man who can keepup to a girl. Henni Mar 29 2021 8:03am Yea i think what you guys are saying is true. Im 11 and i go to a girls boarding school and theres a gym and everyone uses it alot, most of us started in 2nd or 3nd grade. My school is only girls so i dont really have any guy friends but i got a brother, hes 16 and me and all my friends are alot stronger than him. Hes not some weakling hes kinda big but i can beat him so easily and so can all my friends and i think everyone in my class could aswell. Our first fight was when i was 8 and he was 13 and i beat him then so hes used to loosing to me, at first he was upset but now he doesn’t mind and he likes wrestling me and my friends even though he always looses. Hes a good bro so im not mean to him but when hes babysitting me i kinda do what i want he cant make me go to bed or anything lol. DashaMar 29 2021 10:30am Dasha, it sounds you can babysitting him more than other way around. May i ask you which weights do you use for reps? I‘m sure your brother learned it latest when he was 14 when the girls in his grade had surpassed him by physical power. He knows that he as boy is a lot weaker than girls. Do he have a girlfriend who take care on him? Henni Mar 29 2021 11:41am Dasha - I'm not surprised you and all your classmates are stronger than your brother, if you're all 10 or over and you've been working out since 2nd or 3rd grade it's inevitable that you'll all be much stronger than almost all 16-year-old boys. It's nice that you're not mean to him, if you wanted you could really take advantage of your strength and use him to make your life easier, it's what a lot of girls in your position do. It's also nice that he's not bothered by your superiority, a lot of guys can't stand the fact that they're weaker than girls your age but they should realize that it's only natural. I'm guessing your friends that have brothers are stronger than them as well, do they have the same kind of relationship with their brothers as you have with your's? What happens when you wrestle him? StanMar 29 2021 12:55pm henni im babysitting him lol ill tell him that next time. I dont tell him what to do or anything he just knows he cant make me do anything i dont want to do so he doesnt even try. i usually curl 30lb or 35lb i can do a bunch of reps with those. Yea my bro knows hes weaker than girls, hes pretty strong for a guy his age but hes still weaker than all the girls in my grade im pretty sure, since weve all been working out for like 4 years min. He doesnt have a gf or if he does he hasnt told me. DashaMar 29 2021 2:57pm stan yea were all stronger than any guy his age its because our school made us do sports real young and the gym there is really good and we didnt really have anything else to do after classes so all of us spend hours there every day since we were like 7 or 6. I think i was stronger than most 16yo guys when i was like 9 and so were the other girls in my grade. My bro hated that me and my friends were stronger when we were younger but now he actually likes it. Me and my friends set a timer and wrestle him 1v1 and he trys to last as long as he can before i pin him, its fun. He also likes it when i carry him. Yea a lot of my friends have brothers, 1 of them is like 25 and hes a bodybuilder or something so were not stronger than him yet but were stronger than all the others. 1 of my friends has a brother hes 15 shes 10 and shes really mean to him, she beats him and makes him do her homework, hes scared of her and its kinda sad. She says he was mean to her when he was still stronger so now shes mean to him. DashaMar 29 2021 3:02pm It's great that you and your brother have that kind of relationship, it must be nice for him to have a strong little sister who treats him well. Have you ever had to protect him from other girls around your age, or from anyone else? Unfortunately I think the kind of relationship that your friend has with his brother will become very common over the next few years. Did you read about what happened to me when I was helping out on the school trip, near the top of the thread? How does that kind of thing fit into your experiences? Also, obviously you and your friends are stronger than most boys high school-aged and below, but what about adult men, do you think you're stronger than most of them? StanMar 29 2021 5:19pm Also, Tim or Katie, how's the training going? Any updates? StanMar 29 2021 5:20pm Katie is still training she has been able to comfortably curl 50lbs for well over 15 reps now and I just hit 35 for 10 so I’m way behind. She is still way too strong for me. Her arms are so strong now I can literally hang off her bicep. TimMar 29 2021 9:08pm Though I should point out I can only be supported by her for about a second. TimMar 29 2021 9:58pm Why should you not babysitting him? He‘s weaker than you and by the way i have also difficulties to curl a 30 lb dumbbell. So you are stronger than me. How your friend treat her brother is really not nice also if he had anoying her. I think he has learned his lection. Luckely i have learned it pretty early that girls who workout become stronger. I was in a sport club all my life and so i have seen that i‘m weaker than most girls. Nevertheless, there were also girls who hit me without a reason i know. I think they knew that a weak boy can‘t defend against girls who are stronger even than grown men. Henni Mar 29 2021 10:45pm Wow Tim, compared to an average man Katie is twice ad strong. It‘s really incredible. Most girls in my gym lift 50 to 60% more than me. That girls lift more than 100% more than me i know actually only from girls 16 yo or older. Henni Mar 29 2021 10:52pm Katie is really amazing. 50lbs is about my one rep max for a bench press, and she can curl that 15 times with one hand!! I'm pretty sure my one rep max for a two-handed barbell curl is about half of that! One of her arms is literally more than twice as strong as both of mine! I'm finding it hard to even wrap my head around that. Do you know what her one rep max for a dumbbell curl is? What about Aubrey, I'm guessing she's improved a lot as well? StanMar 30 2021 6:29am Well Stan, i‘m as average man stronger as well than you but i would would also have difficulties to beat one of her arms with my two. She‘s really incredible. Normaly i‘m used to half as strong as a girl if she is at least 16. Henni Mar 30 2021 6:59am I know I'm a lot weaker than most men so the difference in strength between me and Katie is completely ridiculous, but there's even a huge difference between her and a normal man. I think Tim can lift more than you (Henni), so if she can beat both of his arms with one of her's she can definitely do the same to you with no trouble. I think one of her arms is stronger than both of the arms of 90%+ of men. Most girls will probably get to that level at about 14 in the near future, when the current batch of elementary schoolers grow up a bit. Aubrey might be there in a year, with how fast she's progressing, I'm sure she can already beat both my arms with one of her's. It sounds like Dasha and the girls in her school aren't that far behind Katie either. StanMar 30 2021 7:28am Amanda and I just calculated it and Katie’s theoretical one rep max should be about 75lbs per arm. The maximum barbell curl I’ve seen her do is 130lbs, but her theoretical maximum is 160lbs. My barbell is only about 80 if I really push myself so she’s easily more than twice my strength even in upperbody. She is ridiculous. TimMar 30 2021 7:41am stan yea ive had to protect my bro, sometimes when my friends are wrestling him they start to hurt him and i stop them, when he comes to my school to bring me back home i tell the other girls to leave him alone because sometimes they want to mess with him. 2 times he was getting picked on by some guys his age and i fought them of, and when he broke his foot i carried him all the way back home. Hes really grateful to me for saving him and he calls me his guardian angel, i really like protecting him to. Yea i read about the school trip and its what id expect, if your like a 14yo boy then i was stronger than you in 2nd grade as well and so were all the girls i know i think. When we were that age we all thought it was funny when a teenaged guy was weaker and we liked embarasing him and making him scared of us so my class would of treated you the same way. Im not really like that anymore, if i was there i would of protected you :)! Some of the girls in my class are still like that and they always wanna show older guys how much stronger they are than them. A lot of the girls are kinda mean to there brothers, maybe not as much as my 10yo friend tho. Most of the girls in my class boss there bros around because they both know shes stronger, my bro knows how lucky he is to have me instead. I think im stronger than most adult guys but ive actually never tried, im gonna see my dad later so maybe ill try arm wrestle him. DashaMar 30 2021 8:22am Dam katie sounds really strong. I think the strongest girls in 7th grade in my school might be almost that strong but most girls in my school dont get there until 9th grade so if katie is like that in 6th grade thats really cool. DashaMar 30 2021 8:25am Tim - those stats are amazing, I know that the vast majority of men can't even lift 75lbs in a two-handed barbell curl, and she can do it with one arm! If you can do 80lbs then you're well above average, but she still has more strength in one arm then you have in both of your's. Not only are 90% of men less than half as strong as her, I think the majority of men could never reach her level, even if they spent every waking hour for the rest of their lives training. Apparently it's pretty common for athletic girls a couple of years older than her to be somewhere near that level, but it's incredible that she got there at 12. I'm sure Aubrey has improved a lot over the last couple of weeks as well, do you know her stats? StanMar 30 2021 11:06am Dasha - it's good that you like protecting your brother, it seems like he needs it. It sounds like if he met one of your more aggressive classmates alone he could be in real trouble, so I'd be careful about letting him go out without you with him. It's getting pretty dangerous especially for guys his age, so he's very lucky he has you around, in the same way that Tim is lucky he has Aubrey and especially Katie. I'd be safer if I had a sister like you, but my friend's sisters do a good job. Emma too, we get along well now and she's gotten very protective of me since I told her about the field trip, it's cute how she worries about me. Let us know how it goes if you end up armwrestling your dad! StanMar 30 2021 11:30am Dasha, if your dad is also average i‘m sure he‘s weaker than you. Most average men can curl weights between 20 and 25 lb. Not that heavy weight like you can do. Stan is right, i‘m not that strong like Tim. I think it payed of that Katie has supported him. I know very few men who can lift 35 lb that often. He‘s even nearly as strong as 16 yo girls. He can be proud to him self! Most men have not even than 3/4 ot that physical power. Dasha, how often can you curl 35 lb? Henni Mar 30 2021 1:17pm Henni - I think Tim is must stronger than the average man and he should definitely be proud of himself, but he's not even close to any 16-year-old girl, even one who's never been in a gym in her life will be significantly stronger than that. He said before he's at about the level of the average 6th grade girl, and that sounds about right to me. And that's really impressive for a man, especially compared to someone like me who's weaker than most 2nd graders. Of course, girls like Dasha and my friend's sisters who have been working out since before they were 7 will become stronger than Tim at a younger age. StanMar 30 2021 2:31pm Stan, maybe you are right. It‘s hard to guess how big is the difference between him and a 16 yo girl. For me as average man this strength level is hard to imagine because for my self i don‘t think i‘m weak. But in direct comparson to a girl i get a impression because a girl has no problem with a weight who is simply much to heavy for me. Or in an armwrestling match she can destroy easily me with only one arm against my two. Also with my girlfriend i do sometimes a strength contest and i lose always against her. But that’s the way, she is the girl and has the muscles while i‘m her weak boyfriend. Henni Mar 30 2021 2:58pm Henni, i‘m sure that Stan is right. The girls in my grade are almost all 16 and the average weight they use for curls is 50 pounds. Some use only 40 pounds but also some can curl even 60 pounds and more with only one arm and for reps. It‘s also obvious during physical work. The girls can do so heavy things with easyness. You will never see a man who can do it in the same way. Men are much to weak. MarcMar 30 2021 3:12pm henni i can do at least 20 at 35lb, Im not sure what my max is for 1 rep but ive curled 45 before. I think stan and marc are right, im pretty sure almost all the girls in my grade can lift more than tim and even the weakest 16yos are stronger. Stan yea my bro is kinda afraid of some of my friends and he doesnt like to be with them without me and i dont like it either, im worried about what they might do to him. Hes had some bad experiences in a mall with some girls a bit older than me so i dont like him going there without me and hes not ashamed to bring me with him for safety. He says he always feels a lot better when im there and i feel good aswell knowing hes safe. DashaMar 30 2021 7:18pm I arm wrestled my dad today so hes almost 40 i think and hes pretty tall and i think hes stronger than most men. I thought i would win but it would be hard but actually i beat him easy right and left hand, i was gonna try his 2 hands vs my 1, im not sure what would of happened but i didnt wanna embarras him if i won. He looked really shocked when i won and he got all quite for the rest of the day and he looked sad, i felt pretty bad for him. My bro noticed as well and he messed with dad by saying he needs to move his bed so dasha better do it cause dad isnt strong enough to and stuff like that, it made my dad look embarrassed and I felt bad for him but it was still kinda funny. My bro loves that I beat my dad and hes really proud of me but I think my dad is upset about it. If id known he was gonna react like that i probably wouldnt have done it, but at the same time its good that he finds out now that hes weaker than girls my age so he knows to be careful. DashaMar 30 2021 7:26pm Wow Dasha, 35 lb is a very advanced curl weight for a man. Especially that often you do. Even Tim can curl it only 10 times. But you are a girl and obvious used to it that men around you much weaker. I think your dad will get over it that he as man is weaker than a girl. If he looks around he will see many girls who are stronger and nowadays it is visible all over. When i go to the mall i see girls who carry all that heavy stuff or girls who help weaker men with all these impossible things. What‘s with your mum? Does she workout? If yes i can imagine that she is also stronger than your dad, isn‘t it? Henni Mar 30 2021 10:12pm Marc i see it always in the gym when the girls workout which heavy weights they use. Many use weight like toys and i even can’t lift that weight. So it‘s no wonder that girls can do heavy physical work with ease and for men it‘s a real challange. Henni Mar 30 2021 10:22pm Aubrey can curl 35 for 15 and 16. With her right hand being stronger. TimMar 31 2021 12:24am Dasha - I definitely expected you to be able to beat your dad, if you're 11 and you've been working out for 5 years it's almost guaranteed that you'd be stronger than the majority of men. Most men aren't aware of that though, and they have this image of themselves as automatically being stronger than women and especially young girls, so it can be a huge shock to learn that's not true. I don't blame your dad for taking this revelation hard, it must be a huge hit to the ego to learn that your 11-year-old daughter is much stronger than you. Like you said, it's good that he finds out this way instead of with an aggressive stranger, now he knows to watch his step around girls like you. Almost all girls your age who have been working out for as long as you have will be stronger than him, and with the massive increase in girls starting to work out at a very young age it will soon be the case that the majority of 11-year-olds are stronger than him, so it's important that he learn that now so he can avoid putting himself in dangerous situations. He'll eventually get over the shock, it might be a good idea to emphasize that you could beat most men and not just him. I'm curious, are you one of the stronger girls in your grade or are they all like you? Do you think the girls in your school are different from the girls in other schools? StanMar 31 2021 4:53am Tim - do you know what her one rep max is, for curling or other types of lifts? Also, has she improved at all in the last week, has she wrestled or tested her strength against you again recently? StanMar 31 2021 4:56am henni i dont see my mom that much so i dont know for sure but shes probably stronger than him aswell. 35lb for 10 rep is alot for a guy i think there are even 1 or 2 girls in my grade who struggle to do that, but for a girl my age its normal and almost everyone can do alot more, i even know some 3rd graders who can do more. Still its really good for a guy. Stan yea its almost for sure that a girl of 11 whos been working out for 5 years is gonna be stronger than most men and thats what i told my dad i said its nothing to be ashamed of and my bro said the same. Hes still acting kinda weird though hes not bossing me around like normal and i saw him watching me work out and then try to lift me weights and he couldnt, i think hes a bit scared of me and i dont like that. Hes said hes gonna start going to the gym again. My bro didnt like it when he found out i was stronger but he got over it and now he likes it so i hope my dad will be the same. Im not that strong compared to the girls in my grade i think im about in the middle so half are stronger than me and half are weaker. i see the 1st and 2nd graders working out even more than me and my grade did when we were that age so theyll probably be even better than us when there older. My school is a bit different to other schools cause most of us live there as a boarding school most of the time, and weve all been using the gym since like 1st grade, but i know in normal schools most of the girls are working out that young to especially in the last 2 or 3 years. So i think a higher % of the girls in my school are trained but were not stronger than other trained girls and most girls starting elementary school in other schools are training as well, so theres not that much difference. DashaMar 31 2021 10:36am Well guys, today I met one of Katie and Aubrey’s friends, a girl named Reba. She is 14 and she’s their oldest friend. They both warned me she’d be coming over and that she loves being strong and is a bit of a bully. Amanda was at work today so I had to watch Reba and the girls. Reba was taller than Katie and barely taller than Aubrey and stood at 5’5†and apparently weighed 120 lbs. she was actually quite slim and wasn’t as noticeably muscular, with size at least, as Katie or Aubrey, all though she was fairly toned. She was nice enough at first as she introduced herself shook my hand and played with the girls. The girls then went to their study room for a while to clean up in there and Reba sat on the living room couch next to me. She looked at me and said “so Tim, are you weaker than Katie and Aubrey?†I was surprised and asked “why do you ask that?†And she said “well your muscles are just so tiny and pathetic, especially compared to them that I naturally assumed you were weaker.†I was offended by this and said “listen Reba, I am but that’s none of your business and I won’t have you talking like that. You’re a guest in my house and I demand your respect.†She then looked at me and said “look I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude, I just can’t help it you are adorably weak.†And with that I stood up ready to get mad at her when she pulled me down. Despite her frame being seemingly smaller than Aubrey or Katie, she was surprisingly at their strength level in pulling as she slammed me back onto the couch with that speedy pull. She then stood, grabbed me and pulled me off the couch. She looked into my eyes and said “see look at what I can do.†She slowly lifted me off my feet and spun me around a bit before putting me down. She then grabbed my waist and lifted me like she was about to tackle me when the girls came out and made her stop. I was surprised by this girl. TimMar 31 2021 10:46am Dasha, it‘s not that long ago i was with a friend of mine in a gym and we asked the girls who were there for working out, for a little strength contest. The girls were between 10 and 17 years old. I expected that i can keepup to the 12 yo girls because i thought that the 14 yo girls already much stronger than men and the 13 yo are on their way to become stronger but at the end the came out was that i‘m similat strong like the 10 yo girls. I‘ve even lost to one 10 yo girl, with one it was a tie and with the third girl it was a hard fight for me but after a couple of minutes i won. Against all other girls i lost. My friend is a little stronger than me and he won against this girl whom i had a tie with her but he had to struggle pretty hard. Against the strongest 10 yo girl he lost also and also against all the other girls. The 12 yo girls defeated us pretty easy and against the 13 yo and older, we had absolutely no chance anymore of course. So actually i know that i‘m as man are weaker than a girl like you but nevertheless i‘m still surprised again and again. Henni Mar 31 2021 1:16pm Sorry Tim to say that but it’s a little crazy from you to contradict to a girl this age. Actually you know that a 14 yo old girl is much stronger than a man and she can easily beat you very badly. You have seen she handeled you like a toy. Don‘t get me wrong but at this point Reba is right. You are a man and of course our male muscles are tiny compared to most girls. I guess Reba has also clear bigger muscles than you when i think about how much stronger she is than you. I think many girls like that we men have that small and weak muscles. Maybe ask the girls what do they prefer? My girlfriend likes that i‘m lighter, that means i’m smaller than her. She is around one inch shorter than me but she love to wear high heels to make me shorter than her. I think one day Aubrey and Katie want for a boyfriend and i guess they prefer these small weak guys. I bett they want to start wearing high heels independ if their boyfriend is taller or shorter. If he is shorter, doesn‘t matter, when they wear heels he‘s even shorter. Henni Mar 31 2021 1:42pm Dasha - I think your dad will get over it eventually. It might help to show him how easily you can beat your brother and other guys, it'll show him that it's just natural for an athletic girl your age to be stronger than most men and it's not a problem with him. If your dad has some friends over armwrestle them as well so he can see. He probably thinks there's something wrong with him, but eventually you can make him understand that it's totally normal for girls your age to be stronger than the average man, and that you don't want to hurt him (even though you could), and that it's actually a good thing to have someone like you in the house. Your relationship with your brother is really nice, it's so different from how most of the girls your age that I've heard of treat their weaker male relatives. No jealousy or resentment on his part, just and pride in your ability and and acceptance of the situation, and you don't take unfair advantage of your superiority and instead enjoy helping and protecting him. Does he brag about you or show you off to his friends? Yeah, I figured you'd be about average for the girls in your class, the girls I know who are about your age and have been working out for as long as you have are about the same level as you I think, and what you said about the current 1st and 2nd grade girls already working out at an even higher rate is exactly what I've heard from a ton of people. Make sure you take good care of your brother and your dad, they're going to need it. StanMar 31 2021 2:43pm Tim - it's not surprising Reba would be that powerful even if her physique doesn't suggest it, I've noticed that most girls that age are a lot stronger than they look, including the ones who do look very strong. She's probably about average for a girl her age who doesn't train that much or hasn't been training for long, even most of the ones who have never worked out at all will be at least as strong as the average man. I agree with Henni that it was definitely unwise to provoke her, but I know you're aware of that and it's understandable that sometimes in the heat of the moment you can forget. I definitely would try to avoid being in the same room as pretty much any girl over 11 without Aubrey or Katie there, you never know which of them will be like Reba, and it might have gone very badly for you if your girls didn't intervene. I've been hearing about incidents like that a lot recently, my friend's sister almost started a fight with a high school boy recently but some middle school girl broke it up, so the sister is still looking for a victim. After the trouble you've had in the last couple of months I bet Katie and Aubrey are worried about you, I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to forbid you from going anywhere without one of them with you. StanMar 31 2021 3:03pm Yeah Katie and Aubrey do want to remain with me at most times for my protection. TimMar 31 2021 3:42pm henni yea your probably weaker than most 10yo girls who work out. If you can only barely curl 30lb then all of the 5th grade girls in my school can curl more than that and so can most of the 4th graders and i think a lot of the 3rd graders even. i think your normal for a guy so almost all of the 10yos in my school are stronger than that and most of the 9yos too but the girls in my school are probably a bit stronger than normal so maybe other girls get there a year later. Stan that's a good idea, my dad already knew i was stronger than my bro but i should show him again and also show him me beating other older guys so he sees its not just him and maybe hell feel better. Yea i love my bro were really nice to each other, he doesnt mind at all now that most elementary school girls are stronger and he loves having a strong little sister, hes always asking me to carry him and i like carrying him around in my arms or on my shoulders. I know the bros of my friends are jealous of him cause there sisters arent as nice to them. Hes really proud of me and he brags to his friends about me, 1 time he made a bet to his friends that i would beat them in wrestling and then i beat them and we split the money. Tim i read about your attacks in the gym and the other one and it sounds really bad, the girls where you live must be extra bad. If that was happening to my bro id make it a rule that he cant go outside without me or another girl i trust with him, i dont like telling my bro what to do but id be really worried and it would be for his protection. If i was your daughter and her friend id not allow you to leave the house alone id stop you from going out the door. I know that sounds bad to take rules from your daughter but if shes reading this then i think you should do that, your dad isnt safe. DashaMar 31 2021 5:23pm katie or aubrey did you read the last comment? Are you gonna make a rule like that? i really think you should, it seems like your in a really dangerous area with all the violent girls and if you let your dad walk around without you he will get hurt. Ive decided that my bros not allowed to go out at night without me or another girl and hes not crazy about me making rules for him and i dont like doing it either, but he understands its for the best and he doesnt like being out alone at night anyway. DashaApr 01 2021 10:56am Dasha, what do this mean i can ONLY curl 30 lb? 30 lb is f*cking heavy on a dumbbell for curls! You really think that the average man is weaker than an 9 yo? After this what i have heard from you and Stan it seems really comes true that girls who start training very early surpass the average man. Because you are on a girls boarding school i can imagine there are almost no men there, isn‘t it? Did you do a student exchange with other school already? Were you then on another school who also boys were on it? How does it felt for you when you came in touch with boys on another school the first time when you realized that boys are much weaker than girls? I can imagine on your school the sport level is much higher compared to a school with girls and boys. You girls must be always carefull to the weak boys. Henni Apr 01 2021 11:03am henni 1 curl of a 30lb is alot for a guy but for a girl my age who works out its nothing i know every single 1 in my grade can do more than that including the 10yos and more than half of the 9yos in my school can do more as well. So yea if men cant curl 1 rep more than 30lb most 9yos at my school are better than a average man. The girls at my school are a bit stronger than normal cause weve all been using the gym since like 1st grade and we use it a lot so i think most girls who work out maybe dont become that strong until there 10 or max 11. Your right that girls who start training around 1st grade can really easily pass the normal man really young and i know theres at least 2 7yos in my shool who can lift 30lb but most cant i couldnt when i was 7. In my school you can live in the dorm or go home after class so the girls who sometimes go home dont use the gym as much, my family lives close to the school now so ive been going home alot now but i still use the gym. Yea there was kinda an exchange 1 year ago where a bunch of girls from my school went to the boys boarding school for a month and a bunch of boys from there came here. They didnt have a gym at there school and when they tried to use ours most of them coulndt even lift the litest weights that the 1st graders use even tho they were 4th grade, it was really funny. Ive had boy cousins and also my bro so i already knew girls were all stronger than boys the same age so i was careful to them and i stopped some of the other girls in my school from hurting the boys, the 1st and 2nd graders were really bad to them. Even tho i knew before it was wierd seeing how weak these boys were next to us, there like little kittens. DashaApr 01 2021 11:56am That’s really scary for a guy that you girls are so much stronger. When i was at school mostly the girls started working out at 12. They had a power lifting class only for girls. The boys were not allowed to workout with weights. So in the following years more and more girld surpassed us boys. When i was 13, most of the girls i my grade were amready stronger than all boys. And later when i was 15 or 16 i realized that the girls 2 grades under mine were stronger than me nevertheless. Because i‘m a member in a sport club i was always in touch with girl who workout really serious and so i have learned that girls who workout are mostly stronger than guys. I didn‘t take care if the girls became stronger in the last years but i think nearly always 14 yo girls were able to overpower grown men in any kind of strength contest. Well most of my female friends are between 16 and 27 yo and they are all at least twice at strong as me. When i take a look in the gym i see that most girls your age has already sirpassed me. So i know that i‘m as man are basically always much weaker than girls. What did the girls who were in the boys boarding school telling? I can imagine that many boys were impressed and tried to mess with them, they did? Henni Apr 01 2021 12:35pm Yea i know in the past most girls started working out in middle school, but now most start in the 1st year or 2 of elementary school, in my school especally but also in other schools. That means they become as strong as men alot younger, and if men cant curl more than 30lb then i know that girls like me who worked out in 1st grade are almost all as strong as men when there 10. Yea the boys from the other school were real surprised cause there school was only boys so they didnt know girls and they didnt know were stronger than them. The boys who came to my school were scared of us the hole time, and they didnt like it that even 1st graders could beat them up. I know the girls who went to there school were 4th grade too and they were all way stronger than the oldest boys in that school who were 6th grade, they had alot of fun there, but the gym equipment there was really bad cause none of the boys wanted to work out so they didnt like not being able to work out properly. Yea i get why its scary for guys and guys should be kinda scared cause a lot of girls now are mean to older guys. Especally guys like stan who are weaker than 2nd grade girls should be scared because they can be real mean. If my bro was as small as stan i definitely wouldnt let him go anywhere without me even in the daytime. Tims girls should do the same even tho hes not weak like stan he gets attacked alot so its not safe for him. DashaApr 01 2021 1:27pm so just like an hour ago my bro was gonna go to the shop to buy something and i told him that cause of the new rule i made hes not allowed to go without me since it was dark, he was pretty annoyed cause the shop is close and he doesn't like it when i tell him what to do and i dont like doing it either i usually never do it. But on the way back there were 2 girls who looked my age or maybe 1 year younger and they started yelling insults at him, my bro got behind me and i yelled back and they didnt do anything but my bro was pretty scared cause we could see they were in good shape. When we got back my bro said it was really good i made him go with me cause they might of hurt him if he was alone and he said hed never complain about the new rule again. Its only been 2 days since i made the rule and already its saved him, im really glad i made it and now so is my bro. i think most girls should make rules like this for the guys in there families especially if they live somewhere kinda dangerous, and if its really dangerous it should be at all times not just night. most guys cant defend themselves so girls like me have a duty to do this even if the guys dont like it. I really dont wanna start bossing around my bro like some of my friends do to there bros and i bet tims girls and the girls stan knows dont wanna boss him around either, but if they need to do it to protect them then its ok. A lotta guys wont like it if there lil sisters or daughters or whatever are telling them what to do and making rules for them but theyll be glad about it 1 day and i think its ok for the girls to use there better strength to make sure they follow the rule if its for there own good. DashaApr 01 2021 7:40pm Dasha, when you girls started training, did you learn that you will surpass all males and you should carefull to them because they are weaker than you girls? It sounds you accept men even though you could easily surpress every man. That‘s nice that you are protecting your brother. I can imagine that your brother feels bothered when you forbid him something. I have learned that i should obey if a girl say to me, i have to do something. One of my old girlfriends went make me submissive. She showed to me that she can surpress me if i don‘t obey to her. Anyway what you wrote about these girls who yelled to you brother i can imagine that your brother was that scared. Luckely the girls in my sport club treat the guys on a nice way most of the time. When i have to enter a dangerous area i would never do it without my girlfriend or at least another girl who protects me. Luckely while some years i had no problems that girls wants beating me up. When i was at school there were some girls who liked it to scare the boys and to show them who is stronger. Especially when the girls realized that they surpass the boys physically. Henni Apr 02 2021 2:22am henni yea our gym trainer told us in 1st grade that we were already all stronger than boys our age and very soon wed be stronger than older boys and in a few years alot of us will be stronger than men too. She always tried to make everyone understand that its wrong to hurt guys or make them do things cause there weaker and that we gotta be carefull to not hurt them on accident. Alot of the girls dont do that tho and especally in like 2nd and 3nd grade when we became stronger than my bro and other teenaged guys we liked embarassing them, i liked it too but i was always nice to my bro. Alot of us grew out of that but alot of the girls in my grade are still like that and i defiantly dont want them to meet my bro or my dad without me there. Now i dont like girls who do that i think its bad to behave like that cause men are just naturally weaker and its unfair if they have to be scared all the time cause of that. Yea my bro is fine with being weaker than me but he was kinda angry when i made a rule for him and he complained alot but he knew there was nothing he could do cause i can easily force him to follow it. But now he thanked me for making the rule and he agrees its good and hes gonna always follow it, when im not there ill pay the 12yo neigbor girl to help him. Stan are you still living with your friend and his sisters and emma? Do they let you go out by yourself? Tim i know you dont like going out alone anyway but would you be angry if katie and aubrey made a rule that says you arent allowed to? Katie you think it would be a good idea to do that since hes been attacked like 3 times in a month? DashaApr 02 2021 7:39am Dasha - I'm still spending most of my time at my friend's house, his mom is overseas so it's usually me, my friend Quint (21), his 11-year-old sister named Lilly, his 8-year-old sister Kennedy, and her 8-year-old friend Emma. My friend's aunt is here some of the time as well. What you said about the girls in your school fits these girls too, I know all of them have no problem curling 30lbs for several reps and I've seen Emma curling 45 before, she's a real prodigy. I get along very well with Emma and she's been trying to get me into better shape. She's very concerned about me, the fact that most 3rd grade girls could easily overpower me really worries her, as she knows how a lot of girls her age behave around guys like me, like her friend Kennedy for example. She's very protective of me as well, recently she got incredibly angry at Kennedy for slightly hurting me as she was carrying me, it wasn't even on purpose. Kennedy works out even more than any of the others and it's crazy how much she's progressed in the last couple of months, but she has pretty much stopped trying to have fun overpowering me because of Emma, which is nice. Emma has basically made it illegal for me to go out by myself as well, she got pretty angry with me for taking a bus by myself back from my college instead of calling the house so she could come and take the bus with me. Of course I don't want to be out by myself either and I almost always want one of the girls with me for protection, but Emma takes it a bit too far, when I got back to the house from the bus she yelled at me about how worried she was and told me I should never do that again. She hasn't explicitly said that there's now a rule that I can't go out by myself, but in practice that's the case, and in general I'm OK with that. It's a bit annoying that I have to wait for her or one of the others to get ready to come with me if all I want to do is cross the street to go to the food truck, but she's right to be worried about me and I understand why she feels this way. Even if I wanted to refuse it wouldn't make a difference, she's extremely gentle with me but she would be willing to use her strength to enforce it, so it would be stupid of me to resist. I get why a lot of males would be resistant to the idea of following orders from much younger girls, but in cases like this it can be justified, if he's putting himself in danger then the girl doesn't have a choice but to use force to make sure he's safe. I think it would be reasonable for Katie and Aubrey to forbid Tim from being out of the house without one of them, like you said he's had three different incidents in the last month, and any of them could have resulted in very serious injuries if the girls hadn't been there. I would probably advise Katie and Aubrey to make absolutely sure he's never alone, even if that means using force against him. StanApr 02 2021 11:02am stan yea i get why emma is like that cause your really small, like even if you were a normal guy youd need protection but with you its needed even more. You said your weaker than 2nd grade girls and thats really bad cause then most 3rd graders could defiantly beat you up really easy and girls that age are gonna do it if they can. When i was that age i liked embarassing teenaged guys and so did almost all my grade, and the 2nd and 3nd grade girls in my school now are even worse i think they beat them up bad for fun and if they found a grown up they could beat up theyd love that even more. If your weaker than them then your in real danger and your right to be scared. I think emma cares about you and thats why she does that and shes completely right and you shouldnt complain. If my bro was like you id do the same i wouldnt let him out even in daytime and i wouldnt let anyone in the house with him if im not there. Emma sounds really cool tho your lucky she likes you and shes really strong aswell if she can curl more than 45 at 8yo, i wanna know how she works out and stuff. The 8yo sister of your friend that you talked about before shes kennedy right? she sounds just like the 8yos in my school, there all like that You said she can curl 30 now so is she stronger than most men now you think? Has she beat up a high school guy like she wanted to yet? DashaApr 03 2021 11:22am tim and katie are you still here? What do you think? and henni have you ever gone back to the gym where you lost to the 10yos? DashaApr 03 2021 11:24am I’ve been catching up on some work projects, but even beyond that somethings have changed in my life, and as had been suggested I am now forced to have company when I leave the house. Even Amanda supported this motion and Aubrey and Katie decided they’d mostly enforce it. This became exceptionally clear to me two days ago, when it was suggested but not yet instituted. I needed to leave for a trip to the store and as I was unlocking the front door to leave Katie left her room and was forced to enforce her new rules. She swiftly ran to where I was restrained me very quickly and carried me into her room. She told me she was serious about me requiring someone else to go outside. I said it wasn’t necessary and Aubrey swiftly subdued me and pinned me to her bed with an arm, at which point I agreed to being accompanied. TimApr 03 2021 12:09pm While I didn’t like the idea of not being able to leave on my own I recognize that both Katie and Aubrey have saved me many time and have strength and compassion so they will not hinder me too much and will save me if need be. TimApr 03 2021 12:13pm Of course, at least once a month i‘m in the gym. Do you think i should not go into the gym because i‘m just a man and so weak? I think that girls embarass men is pretty often the case when the girls surpass us men. Many girls have to learn how they have to manage their strength and i can imagine for most it‘s funny when they realize, that especially in case of men who were still stronger a couple of months ago, now are much weaker. Sometimes i experience a similar story wit a girl, Tim experienced with Reba. Sometimes a girl talks to me that she think my muscles are so pathetic tiny and thats obvious the reason why i‘m so weak. Some want to compare their muscles with mine and they laught over me because my muscles are so small. Often i see a girl stand next to me when i curl dumbbells for men. She take the heavier girl dumbbells of course and then i can see how she looks at me how i curl these little men dumbbells and she smile then over me. I can imagine a lot girls think that we men are weaklings. Dasha, please be honest, do you think that we men are weaklings? Henni Apr 03 2021 12:59pm Tim - I was expecting them to do that, given how much trouble you've had recently, and I think it's probably the right move. They don't really have a choice, they'd probably blame themselves if you ran into that girl at the gym again or into another aggressive girl (or even guy) and got hurt because they weren't there to help you. Emma and the other girls have actually made their rule for me explicit now, they've even put up a notice on the front door saying that I'm not allowed to leave unless I'm accompanied by one of the girls. My friend Quint has a similar rule, but like Dasha's brother he's allowed to go out by himself during the day but not after sunset. He took that much harder than I did, partially because he's a little older and a lot bigger than me, but partially because it's his own 11 and 8-year-old sisters who are enforcing the rule. I'm pretty much OK with it because I know it's necessary and maybe because I'm not related to any of them, but I think Quint finds it humiliating to have to follow rules set by his little sisters. He kind of threw a tantrum, and Lilly had to wrestle him to the ground and hold him there until he agreed to follow it, she threatened to ground him and not let him go outside at all unless he agreed. I imagine that having to obey rules set by your own daughter must be even worse, especially if she uses her superior strength to force you to submit to them. How does that feel for you Tim, not the part about being forbidden from leaving alone but the fact that it's Aubrey who's enforcing it? Do you keep it a secret from the other men you know out of embarrassment? Also, did you mean that Aubrey pinned you to the bed with only one of her arms? If so then the difference in strength between you must have increased even more, what is she capable of doing now? StanApr 03 2021 2:29pm Typo, I meant her arms. Her strength had grown, but not to that degree. It is embarrassing to be commanded by your young daughter and her best friend, but in this case it was the right call so I cannot complain too much. TimApr 03 2021 3:59pm tim its good that they did that, i know it must suck to get bossed around by your daughter or sister but there right and its something they just gotta do if they care about you to keep you safe. Girls today got a responsiblity to protect the guys in there family and that might mean using there force to make them do what they gotta do. Your really lucky they know that cause guys who dont have that are gonna be in trouble. Also be glad there just bossing you around to protect you cause if they wanted they could use there strength to make you do stuff for them instead. Youll probably be really glad they made the rule 1 day soon like my bro was, and you shouldnt complain about it, cause there right about it and also cause they could beat you up lol. DashaApr 03 2021 6:07pm tim well yea i kinda do think men are weaklings. i mean if a normal man cant even curl 30lb, well i could do that in 3rd grade before i was 9, and all of the girls i know could do it before they were 10, and so of course i gotta think a grown up who still cant do it is a weakling like how could i not think that? Maybe itd be more fair to say girls are strong than men are weak but its pretty much the same thing. I know alot of teenaged guys cause there friends of my bro and im literally 2x as strong as any of them and even the weakest girl in my grade is stronger than any of them. Not all guys are weak like my friends bro is 25 and he spends all day working out and hes actually stronger than me i think even he might be almost as strong as katie, but most guys arent like that, i think tim is really strong for a guy but hes still weak compared to the girls in my grade so that says alot. Its ok to be a weakling though guys shouldnt be ashamed and i dont like girls who laugh at guys and make fun of them and beat them up, its not fair to do that, but alot of girls especally my age do it alot. I think you should be carefull going to your gym like make sure you bring a girl with you or theres always a girl there who your friendly with cause what happened to tim might happen, your lucky it hasnt happened yet. Those young ones who beat you know there stronger now and they might wanna mess with you if they see you again. Stan did you read my comment and my questions about kennedy? DashaApr 03 2021 6:33pm that last comment should of started with henni not tim, i meant to adress it to henni, made a mistake there. DashaApr 03 2021 7:53pm Dasha - I missed your message, sorry about that. Kennedy is the 8-year-old sister I've mentioned before, the one who's obsessed with being stronger than older males. She can curl at least 30lbs now, I think she can curl 35 as well, it's amazing how much she's progressed. It was about 6 months ago that I armwrestled her for the first time, and she could only beat me narrowly. Now she can beat both of my arms with one of her's. For Christmas she just asked for exercise equipment from everyone she knows, and she spends more time working out than anyone I know. She doesn't have the natural gifts that Emma has, but she's incredibly dedicated and hard-working. Her goal was to be able to beat my largest friend before she turned 9, and she's accomplished that now. He's 21, pretty tall, and decently fit, though he doesn't lift weights, and she sees him as basically the representative of the average man. A couple of days ago he visited the house and she immediately wanted to armwrestle him, and she won easily, she was jumping up and down and celebrating. Most of the girls in her school who work out don't become stronger than the average man until they're about 10, but she got there before she turned 9, and she's very proud of herself. She hasn't managed to start a fight with a high schooler yet, she's got close a couple of times but it was always broken up by some nearby girls. She decided she doesn't want to just attack someone out of the blue, she wants to provoke the guy into starting the fight, and she wants to film it. She's had difficulty getting the boys to attack her, she said earlier she thinks its because she's been wearing clothes that expose her muscles and it's intimidating them, so she's going to try wearing a baggy long-sleeved shirt and see if that helps. Her sister doesn't really approve of what she's doing, but she isn't trying to stop it, she just tells Kennedy that the guy can't be me or her brother or any of our friends and she can't seriously hurt him. What you said about me needing protection even more than other guys because of my size is basically Emma and Lilly's reasoning for being so strict as well. They said that if girls as young as 2nd graders can beat me up then that's far more dangerous than if it was only 5th graders and above, as the younger girls are much more likely to do something really bad. Emma also pointed out that the middle of the day is probably more dangerous for me than night, since that's when the girls that age will be outside. My friend Quint is still very angry about having to follow his sisters' rules, he told me he plans on breaking them, and I advised him not to. You said all the girls Kennedy's age in your school are just like her, have there been any incidents involving any of them and high school boys? StanApr 04 2021 8:26am Dasha, also if i made my experience later at my time at school, nevertheless i seen that the girls had a seperated from us boys sport class when they were 12. Until then the strength difference was ballanced between boys and girls. Maybe we boys were a little stronger. When the girls had their own gym class and we boys had our we had no direct comparson anymore. After around one year sometimes boys and girls had a common sport lesson. And this point it was already obvious that the girls were stronger than the boys. One year later we got told, if we need help with something heavy we should asks the girls in our class and not the male teachers because the girls are stronger anyways than any male teacher. In my school it was not allowed to us to use the gym. It was reserved only for the girls. I think because of this in the boys boarding school they had no gym. At the same time the boys who came to your school were in a gym first time. Moreover i‘m sure in the gym at your school they have only girl weights. These weights are already for men pretty heavy how should a boy lift such a heavy weight? I‘m sure that Tim has worked out some years to reach that he can use girl weights for reps. He‘s really pretty strong but from your perspective he use only weights who are used by beginner girls. From my view these weight are f*cking heavy. But i‘m a man so from my perspective weights are very heavy, from your perspective the same weights are toys. But you as girl are stronger as a man. Henni Apr 04 2021 8:57am henni wow that really shows that things have changed alot. Like i cant imagine an 11yo boy whos stronger than a 11yo girl that just seems impossible to me. Im like 2x as strong as even the strongest boy my age ive met and every girl my age i know is stronger than ever boy my age i know. Thats been true all my life and since 2nd grade ive been stronger than boys much older too, when i was 8 i was already much stronger than my bro who was 13 then and hes bigger than most 13yos. I was defiantly stronger than all 11yo boys when i was 7 or maybe 6 so the idea of an 11yo girl who isnt is so wierd to me. I got cousins your age and teachers too and i know from them that like 15 years ago girls didnt work out in elementary school and they started mostly in 6th or 7th grade. But now all the girls in my school started in 1st grade and i know its not that different in other schools, ive been told its usually 1st or 2nd grade in other schools or sometimes max 3nd grade, and what stan said from his aunt is the same. So i guess when you were a kid girls started at 12 and were stronger than men at 13 or max 14 but now girls start at 6 or 7 and are stronger than men at 10 or max 11, and at my school often even before 10. Actually the boys in there boarding school did have a gym but it was really bad cause no boys wanted to use it and the girls who went there for a month hated the lite weights they had there. Yea the boys who came to my school couldnt even lift the weights that i curled and they couldnt curl the litest weights in the gym that the 1st graders use. I dont like laughing at guys cause its not there fault there weak but its still kinda funny watching boys and grown up men trying to lift girl weights, i saw the 4th grade boys at the school putting in all effort and failing to curl something then a little 1st grader came in and curled it easy and the boys were so ashamed. Today i saw my dad trying real hard to curl 25lb for reps and he could do it but his face was so red and it was funny cause there like toys to me they weigh nothing. The weights that men train hard with are too lite to even be warmup weights for girls my age. I really hope my dad didnt see my laughing cause he already feels bad and he shouldnt cause hes not weak for a man and theres nothing wrong with being weaker than girls my age, most men are. Tim should be real proud of himself i only know 1 guy who can do reps with 35lb and thats my friends brother so its really really great that he can do it, hes real strong for a guy but hed be normal for a 4th grader in my school and in other schools hed be normal for a 5th grader. DashaApr 04 2021 11:12am stan kennedy is pretty advanced then i dont think i could curl 35lb when i was 8, some of the 8yos in my school can tho, still shed be 1 of the strongest that age even in my school. From what you said maybe the girls her age in my school arent quite as bad and violent as she is but there not far off, they do love showing older guys that there stronger and beating them and making them admit that there stronger. I did that too when i was that age but i think the current 2nd and 3nd graders are worse than i and my friends were. Yea some girls get into trouble like last year when the boys came to my school for a month a 2nd grader made 1 of them cry and almost broke his arm, she got suspended for that and he went back to his school, and after that the other boys were real scared of us and the teachers told us older girls we had to stop the younger 1s from hurting them. Like a month ago i saw a 4th grader crossing the road to go to the school and a car almost hit her and honked at her, she pulled the guy out of the car and kicked him a bunch of times. We used to have a male teacher and alot of the girls liked scaring him by showing there muscles and showing him them lifting heavy things, and theyd disobey him and he was too scared to do anything, he quit his job after a couple months. Emma and lilly are right that its alot worse for you cause your weaker than 2nd graders, like some of the girls my age are still violent but i grew out of that, but almost all of the 2nd and 3rd graders are still violent against guys, so its way way more dangerous for a really small weak guy like you. Have you had times like my bro did where you were really glad emma makes you only go out with a girl with you? Henni it seems like your in a safe area since you havent had trouble lately but are you still kinda worried? Even tho youve been lucky so far i still think you shouldnt go out at least at night without a girl and defiantly dont go to the gym unless theres a girl there woull defend you if you need it. DashaApr 04 2021 11:34am Dasha, in the dusk i don‘t leave my home without my girlfriend or at least one another friend of mine. If this is a male friend my girlfriend had worries about us because she know that a lot girls can also overpower two men at the same time but until now nothing happened. In my sport club the girls know that they will kicked out if they make trouble. But most girls are nice to men. On the other hand i know that i can‘t mess with a girl who workout because she‘s much stronger. If there is a girl who wants to compare with me i‘m submissive and i do what she wants. Similar like Tim had experienced it already, sometimes a girl asks me how it feels as man so much weaker than a girl. Especialy with the already full grown girls it humiliating. A lot are between 5-9 and 5-11 and nowadays it‘s common that girls wear heels or plateau boots so in that they are often taller than men. So in this way they show to men that they are not only physically superior but also that men are the new small, short and weak sex. Moreovee i think girls are nowadays taller than in old timed. In my company i‘m the only man in the office room and when the women wear heel i‘m also the shortest one. And the weakest one i‘m as man anyway. Henni Apr 04 2021 12:49pm Dasha - the girls in your school sound a lot like the girls in my aunt's school. None of the 2nd graders on the school trip tried to seriously hurt me (though half of them were definitely capable), but they did really enjoy intimidating me, overpowering me, embarrassing me, and generally holding power over a man over twice their age by virtue of their superior strength. I don't really blame them for acting that way and I don't blame you for acting that way when you were that age, kids that young are immature, and if you grow out of it by the time you're your age then that's good. Still, it's very dangerous for small guys like me that almost all of the 8-year-olds walking around are capable of injuring me, and it's also dangerous for boys about 15 and under as well. It's dangerous enough for normal men, it's common for girls as young as 10 to be stronger than them (as well as almost all girls 12 and older) and while they're more mature there are still plenty of them who are willing to abuse their strength, as Tim knows. I'm very grateful to girls like you and Katie who protect the men in their lives and also stop girls from harming strangers as well, I don't know what I'd do without girls like you. You've mentioned that the 1st and 2nd graders in your school are working out even harder than you did when you were that age, and I've heard the exact same thing from my aunt, my brother, and my friend's sisters, so it looks like girls will be overtaking the average man at an even younger age in the near future. If it's going to be the norm soon that the vast majority girls as young as 4th or even sometimes 3rd grade will be stronger than the average man then it's important that they're taught that men are naturally weaker and they shouldn't abuse that fact for their own advantage, or else men will be constantly living in fear. There have been countless times when I've been glad that Emma or one of the other girls was with me, but even before they made that rule for me I almost always wanted one of them there anyway, so the rule hasn't actually made much of a difference. I have to walk through the area of my aunt's school quite often and I see the girls from the school trip, sometimes through the fence of their playground. They always wave at me and flex their muscles, and it would be pretty scary if I didn't have protection. Emma, Kennedy, and Lilly are all stronger than them, so they leave me alone when they see her. StanApr 04 2021 1:59pm Tim or Katie - Can you give an update on Aubrey's progress, I bet she's improved a lot since the last time you talked about her. Also, Tim has said before that he thinks the average 6th grade girl is about as strong or stronger than how Aubrey was 2 weeks ago, meaning that most of them are significantly stronger than Tim. Given that Tim is very strong for a man, I'd guess that almost all the 6th graders are much stronger than a normal man, and probably most of the 5th graders too, and they probably surpassed high school age boys even younger. Do you know about any incidents like the ones Dasha talked about or what Kennedy aspires to do, about girls Katie and Aubrey's age or younger abusing their strength against men or teen boys? I'd like to get a sense for how common it already is right now, and how common we can expect it to be in the near future. StanApr 04 2021 2:14pm I thought it was strange that Kennedy could beat my friend so easily, the difference in strength seemed very big. He’s quite tall and heavy and I’d assume he’s at least as strong as the average adult, and if the average man can just about curl 30lbs then Kennedy shouldn’t be that much stronger than him, since I don’t think she can curl much more than 35. I thought maybe we’ve been overestimating what most men can lift, since I think we base it on what we can see men at the gym lift and what men who go to the gym say they can lift. Men who are in a gym are not a good sample, they aren’t representative of men in general, since most men never lift weights at all and don’t do jobs that involve manual labor. All of the guys you’d see in a gym are in the top 10% or maybe 5% of men in terms of strength, other than the ones who just started going recently. My friend who Kennedy beat and almost almost all the other males I know have no idea what they can curl, because they’ve never tried. My college gives me access to scientific journals I’d usually have to pay to access, so I found a good recent study where they took a representative sample of men aged 21-40, most of whom don’t lift weights, which is appropriate as that applies to the general population as well. They tested their strength by using a method where you don’t need to learn the technique, just to eliminate that factor. But they did provide an equivalent dumbbell curl weight, meaning that a man who scores a certain way on this test will be able to curl this weight on a dumbbell if they know the technique. It turns out I was right, the average man can’t curl anywhere close to 30lbs. It differed by body weight a lot, so the average 130lbs man is much weaker than the average 220lbs man. The median 130lbs guy could curl only 12lbs, and the median 220lbs guy could curl 23, but the average man in the study weighed 180lbs and could curl 18lbs! 18lbs!! Obviously men who work out can curl a lot more, but since most men don’t do any strength training, most men can curl 18lbs or less. That made me feel a bit better about myself, and it should make Tim and Henni feel very good, they’re both very strong by the standards of men, especially Tim. Unlike most men, both of you go to the gym, so it’s expected that you’d be stronger than the majority of men who don’t. It also means these girls who’ve been working out since they were very young actually surpass the average man a lot sooner than we thought. I thought Henni was pretty close to the average man, and the fact that he was about equal to the 10-year-olds at his gym showed that they were about equal to the average man as well. But now I know that Henni is actually a lot stronger than normal, and all of those girls were already stronger than most men, including the one that lost to him. Dasha also said that she thinks most athletic girls in other schools can curl 30lbs and therefore are as strong as most men when they’re 10 or maximum 11, but it turns out they’re actually stronger than most men when they’re capable of curling 20lbs, which is much younger. I really wasn’t aware of how weak most men are these days, very few of us are physically active, unlike most girls. I think males used to work out a lot more, but now it’s very rare, whereas it’s the norm for females and even more for elementary school aged girls. The average man is getting weaker while the average young girl is much, much stronger than she used to be. Henni, if you were already worried than men are weakings, how do you feel now? Dasha, how old were you and the girls in your grade when you could curl 20lbs, and how old do you think girls in other schools are when they get to that point? Katie, do you remember how old you were when you became capable of doing a single rep on a 20lbs dumbbell? StanApr 05 2021 12:12pm Thank you Stan, that‘s really interessting even though i think i‘m only a little over average. 25 lb is my max dumbbell for reps and i can only do 6 reps. A 30 lb dumbbell is that heavy i can only curl it one times and only when i trick a little. But i‘m really happy that i‘m on this point already over average. My normal training weight is 22.5 lb what is also a little higher than average. But all this is the typical mens weight range. Girls and women starts at a higher range. So far i understood Dasha but also Katie they have no trouble to curl a 30 lb dumbbell. A 25 lb dumbbell who is my max they use maybe for warmup if not more. So far i znderstand why we men are for the most girls weaklings. My girlfriend thought it in same way when she was 16 and i was 19 yo. She called me often her little weakling. She liked it if we go out that we wearing clothes who show the muscles. Well i‘m skinny and my muscles are tiny. Next to her i look pretty small. And if she wear heels i‘m also shorter than her. But i think girls go for guys who are small, weak and shorter than them. Dasha, may i ask you what kind of boyfriend would you prefer? Henni Apr 05 2021 12:50pm stan wow haha but that actually makes alot of sense. My dad is pretty tall and heavy and im sure hes stronger than most men but he cant really curl more than 25 and i didnt understand how that could be if most men can curl 30. So it makes sense when you say most men are alot weaker than that cause like you said most guys dont go to the gym. But still 18lb is pathetic lol, i knew guys were weak but its crazy how weak they are. Like i dont wanna be mean here and theres nothing wrong with being weak but its amazing that the average grownup man cant even curl 20lb, for girls my age thats nothing its not even enough for a warmup. I think even most girls my age who dont work out at all can lift that, and almost all the girls i know work out so there all way way stronger than that. I seriously cant get over how weak men are if most cant even curl 20, there so pathetic even compared to really young girls. I gotta be real careful when im with men cause i can curl more than 40 so im 2x stronger than most of them and so are the other girls in my grade. I know i could curl 20 at the start of 3rd grade so when i just turned 8, and maybe before i turned 8 even im not sure. Im normal for girls in my grade so most of them were the same. The girls in my school are stronger than normal because we work out so much, i think were about a year ahead of other girls, so most girls who work out i think can curl 20 when they turn 9 or maybe a bit before they turn 9. All the girls in my school work out, so i know that more than half of the 3rd graders and 100% of the 4th graders in my school can curl more than 20 and are stronger than most men, and obviously 100% of the 5th graders like me are way way stronger than that. The 1st and 2nd and 3nd graders now work out more than i any my friends did when we were in that grade and i know even some 7yos who can curl alot more than that. Most girls in other schools work out too, so im sure more than half of 4th graders in other schools can curl 20 aswell. Normal weak men really gotta watch out lol, its crazy how much stronger even elementary school girls are. Tim is really really strong for a guy if he can do reps with a 35, and aubrey is normal for a 6th grader and normal for a 5th grader in my school. Henni im not interested in a bf at all. Hed definitely be weaker if i had 1 and i dont care about height. Tim are you proud of yourself for being so strong for a man? its really impressive for a guy to be as strong as a 5th or 6th grade girl. And yea i wanna know what aubrey can do now too. DashaApr 05 2021 2:25pm Btw, i want mention, when i was 19 yo i could use 22.5 lb for maybe 6 reps. 25 lb was hardly possibel to curl for me except i tricked a little. My girlfriend could use 50 lb for her normal workout for curls. So she was more than twice as strong at 16 as me with 19. Even nowadays she‘s twice as strong as me even though i can lift 25 lb. But as a girl she‘s simply much stronger than men. Henni Apr 05 2021 2:35pm Yea of course any 16yo will be 2x stronger than almost all men but i think now its even more since girls start working out younger. I think almost all the 12yos in my school can already curl 50lb even for reps and there are some girls in my grade who can aswell. Something thats so heavy for a grownup man its impossible to even lift is a normal workout for 13yo girls and at my school 12yos. Girls that age are still alot smaller than men so its crazy how much stronger they are, i dont wanna be mean but guys really are weaklings. DashaApr 05 2021 2:48pm Sorry Dasha, maybe it‘s a little early to ask you for preferences to you boyfriend. However i‘m sure if some of the girls in your grade will bring with them their small and short boyfriend you also want to have your boyfriend smaller and shorter than you. But you girls have the advantage, you can wear heels. Do the older girls at your school bring their boyfriend with them sometimes. Is their boyfriend often taller or do the girls wear heels to make their boyfriends are shorter? I‘m sure most boyfriends are smaller anyways because they have so tiny muscles. I think you‘re not mean when you say that most boys and men are weaklings. When i‘m in company and i‘m the only man often i hear they talk about men as weaklings. In the office the women in my office room also call me weakling sometimes. Henni Apr 05 2021 3:17pm henni i dont think any girls in my school have a real bf cause its an all girls school and there arent any boys around and cause were all too young. When im older and i want a bf i dont care if hes weaker but he definitely would be cause there arent any boys who are stronger. I dont care about height he could be taller or shorter i dont mind. At my age boys and girls are the same height but teenaged boys are msotly taller than girls, but the girls are still stronger. The older girls i know who have bfs are shorter than there bfs, and they dont care. I dont like heels there not comfortable and i dont care about being taller than people, i dont really know any girls who like heels cause the girls i know are athletic and athletic girls like practical shoes. The big reason i say men are weakings is the size difference, like if your weaker than someone as big as you i wouldnt say your a weakling. But when i see a normal 6 foot man who doesnt train standing next to a 10yo girl from my school who is a foot and a half shorter and weighs alot less, but i know the 10yo girl is way stronger and could easily beat him up if she wanted, then i gotta say that men are weaklings. Like how could girls that much smaller be stronger than you and you not be a weakling. But like i said i dont wanna make fun of guys and make them feel bad about it and girls my age should protect guys not hurt them, its something we just gotta do if were this much stronger. DashaApr 05 2021 3:53pm Dasha - I know what you mean, and I don't blame you for saying 18lbs as a max curl is pathetic, it really is compared to girls like you who've been working out for a while. The fact that the majority of girls in your school are stronger than the average man by the time they turn 8 is crazy, and it really shows how unbelievable girls can get if they start training early. You said that you think athletic girls from other schools reach the milestones that girls in your school do a year later, and that sounds right to me. The strongest 8-year-old in my aunt's class might have been as strong as the average man, but I think the rest won't get there until they're 9, whereas in your school they're already there at 8. I asked Kennedy about it, and she said that when she first armwrestled me she was fairly weak by the standards of the girls in her gymnastics club, but now after all the work she's put in she's well above average, and that almost all of the girls her age (almost 9) in her club can curl more than 20lb. Your school is also different in that all of the girls started working out in 1st grade, whereas for girls your age in other schools it's only about half of them I think, though many of the other half started working out later. But I've heard consistently from people who know about many different schools that the current crop of 1st-3rd graders are working out at a much higher rate, over three quarters of them, so when they get to 9 or 10 almost all of the athletic ones will be stronger than most men, and that will constitute a majority of the age group in total. Meanwhile, it's very rare for men and boys to work out, and even rarer for them to lift weights, and I'm pretty sure it's becoming even more rare over time, so in 5 years the average 25-year-old man will be weaker and the average 10-year-old girl will be much stronger, and easily capable of beating the man. It's totally fair to call men weaklings I think, if most of us would lose to almost all the 3rd graders in your school I don't see how you can see us any other way. I know what you mean about the size difference as well, it was surreal watching Kennedy easily beat a guy not far from 2 feet taller than her in armwrestling, she had to put her elbow on a book to make up for her shorter arms, but when they were flexed they looked about the same size, with her's being much more muscular obviously. My friend is normal in strength for a man, so after watching him lose to someone the size of Kennedy it was impossibly to deny how superior girls like her are. StanApr 05 2021 6:38pm stan yeah your right, there are even some 7yo 1st graders in my school who can curl 20lbs, its crazy to me that most guys cant do that. I got my bro to try and he cant really do it without cheating and now im even more worried about him, i might change the rule so he cant go out at all without me or another girl even in the day. Some of the girls 3rd grade and under in my school would really mess him up bad if they got the chance and im scared of what would happen if hes out by himself and he sees 1. Kennedy sounds like shed fit in in my school. I know alot of guys cant stand it when they find out there weaker than girls my age and younger, how did your friend react when he lost? Henni how did you feel when you lost to the 10yo at the gym? Tim, hows things going with katie and aubrey, and how is the new rule about going outside alone effecting things, has it saved you yet? DashaApr 05 2021 7:15pm Aubrey has made fair progress. She is now comfortable enough to curl a couple reps of 40’s in each hand. She’s been working out arms, shoulders, and her back hard for a while and she can easily beat me at arm wrestling , and her leg strength is a fair bit superior mine too. She is overall a fair bit stronger than me. She lifted me and pinned me to a wall a day ago just to show me how strong she’d gotten. Reba came over again today, and I found out she despises men for being weak. She warned me that soon she’ll overpower me defeat me and then parade me around. She also had to get stopped by Katie and Aubrey a few times as she spent the day bullying me because I am weak. In spite of that I am proud of my meager strength. TimApr 05 2021 9:22pm Tim - You should definitely be proud of your strength, for a man it's very impressive, you can curl twice what the average man can. Obviously it's nothing compared to almost any 14-year-old girl, even one like Reba who's slim and non-muscular. Aubrey is pretty normal for her age, so obviously she'll be stronger than you, but the fact that you're anywhere close to her level shows how strong you are by the standards of men, the vast majority of us wouldn't even stand a chance. Even before she started working out she could probably already lift more than most men. I think you could even hold your own against Kennedy, which is more than almost any male I've ever met. Reba's attitude is very concerning, I think most 14-year-olds have grown out of that, but it's probably the norm for girls 10 and under, and the difference in strength between an athletic 10-year-old girl and an average man is about the same as the difference between Reba and you. It really underlines why it's necessary for males to have protection, there are so many elementary school age girls walking around who behave just like her, the streets really aren't safe for us if we're alone. I'm sure seeing how Reba treats you has confirmed to Aubrey and Katie why the rule they made is necessary. I'd also like to know how it's affecting your life, and how you feel about it now. StanApr 06 2021 5:12am Tim yea stans right your really strong for a guy, your strength isnt meager your alot stronger than my dad and my bro. I only know 1 guy whos stronger than you and he isnt as strong as katie, ive defiantly never seen any man as strong as katie. Of course your gonna be weaker than a 14yo girl its almost impossible for a guy not to be. Almost all 6th graders like aubrey are stronger than a normal man, and most of them are stronger than you aswell, but your defiantly stronger than a few of them and thats really good for a guy, very few guys are stronger than any 6th grade girls. If a man cant lift 20lb then most girls in my school are as strong as a regular man at the start of 3rd grade, but there not as strong as you until the start of 5th grade, so thats a big difference. I think for girls in regular schools you ad a year, so there as strong as you at the start of 6th grade. Youd actually be able to defend yourself from some 5th graders in my school and that means your way stronger than most guys, most guys would have no chance. I know alot of girls like reba and i dont like them, katie and aubrey shouldnt hang out with her at least not when your there. Especally if shes 14 like its way too easy to beat a man when your that age and its really unfair, if she was like 9 id kinda understand but shes way too old to be like that. Katie should give her a beating to teach her to leave weak men alone. I guess your ok now with katie and aubrey not letting you out by yourself now you see what alot of girls are like today? Stan i dont know if youve said already but whats your weight and height and how much can you lift? DashaApr 06 2021 7:27am stan nevermind i remember you already said and i found it on the page. 100lb is really light for a grownup, i weight more than that and im 4 foot 10. Cause guys are so weak im stronger than most guys 2x my weight, so a guy who weighs what you do must be like 5x weaker than me. I defiantly cant curl a 100lb dumbbell with 1 hand but i can just about lift it, i could probably lift you a little bit with 1 arm. I can bench press alot more than your weight, it would be fun to do deadlifts with you instead of a bar! You said that in your aunts class 4/5 of the 2nd grade girls who work out were stronger than you, and cause girls in my school are stronger than normal most of the 1st graders could beat you at this time of year since theyve been training since the start of the school year. If your so small then emma and the others are defiantly right to not let you out alone. I really wanna try doing bench press with a guy instead of a bar now, ill try with my bro later. Tim has katie ever tried that? DashaApr 06 2021 9:39am I am 5’9 and I weigh 132lbs. I can curl 30 lbs for 4 reps in my left and 5 reps in my right. I lost a tiny bit of strength with weight but it works out for me as my main goal of working out was to lose weight and tone up a bit but to generally maintain strength. I am now somewhat noticeably weaker than Aubrey as she can curl 7 reps of 40 in her left and 9reps of 40 in her right. I am far weaker than Katie as she can very comfortably curl around 50 in each arm and in theory may be able to curl around 75 for one rep. For reference Aubrey is 5’4 and she now weighs 122lbs while Katie is 5’2.5 and weighs 131lbs. TimApr 06 2021 9:41am Katie can bench press me fairly easily. She can bench press almost double her body weight, so she can easily rep me in a bench press. She can just easily do almost anything except one arm curl me, although if she uses full effort she can barbell curl me. TimApr 06 2021 9:43am Aubrey only started working out like 2 months ago right? Shes very strong for someone who just started, if she started when she was young shed be amazing maybe as strong as katie. I think shes about the same as the 11yos in my school tho, but theyve all been working out since 1st grade, so aubrey is still amazing. Katie is ahead even of the girls her age in my school. Do they always treat you good or do they mess with you sometimes? i know they dont hurt you or anything but maybe they prank you. My bro loves it when i lift him, do you like it? And what do you think of the rule they made now, are you ok with it and has it helped you yet? DashaApr 06 2021 10:06am Dasha, i was a little confiused because i expected i should have at least a chance against the 12 yo and the younger ones anyway. But i could only beat one girl and this was a really hard fight for me. One was similar strong as me and all other were stronger. There were 22 girls and i was only not beaten by 2. The rest of them were stronger than me. Maybe you should read it in the poll before this one. For a guy like me who thougt he‘s a little stronger than the a average man it‘s not that easy if he realze that he‘s weaker than almost all girls. But i think for Tim it‘s also very hard to realize. He was supressed by a girl. Ok Reba is 14 and also if she‘s slim she‘s stronger than him. I know some girls who workout and who are slim nevertheless but they all are stronger than men. Maybe Reba learned it at home that men are inferior and because of this they should be submissive. I can imagine that Tim should be more submissive because from Reba‘s view he‘s a weak man. I can imagine that Reba‘s dad is a ver submissive man and have to obey if the women in his family commands him anything. Maybe then she was pissed of by Tim after he gave an objection and she is not used to that such a weakling contradicts her. Henni Apr 06 2021 11:00am henni yea i understand why youd think that that cause a few years ago girls were stronger than men when they were 12, but now its more like 9 and in my school younger. So if your stronger than normal for a man you might be as strong as 10yo girls who work out, but most men arent. Its possible reba doesnt work out at all, alot of 14yo girls even who dont work out are stronger than men, but she probably works out a bit cause most girls do. I know alot of girls like her tho there mostly younger, the girls her age are mostly more mature. In my school its the girls who just recently became stronger than teenaged guys or men who are really mean about it, so 1-3nd graders are bad to teenaged guys and 3-5th graders are bad to grownups, but then when were a bit older alot of us get used to it and stop being mean. If shes 14 and shes still like that she deserves to be beat up a little bit by katie so she learns. But yea maybe shes spoilt and shes used to bossing around the guys in her family cause shes stronger and they do what she says, so when she meets a guy who doesnt obey her she gets real angry. Girls shouldnt act like that i think, since were stronger now we gotta treat weaker men nicely. DashaApr 06 2021 11:20am Well Dasha, while they typically treat me good they do prank me sometimes. Aubrey likes to overpower me at various points during the day and then she jokingly treats me like a baby either by cradling me or by putting me in bed. Katie likes to overpower and toy with me a lot. She also loves to squeeze me. Katie is almost too strong though. She can quite easily overpower me, and I had to ask her to stop bear hugging me so much because her arms crush me a little bit. My body aches for a while after she beat hugs me. The only other thing she likes to do is randomly lift me. She grabbed my rear and lifted me almost an inch off the floor with one arm, and she loves to lift me by the thighs or ankles and spin me as fast as she can which is disorienting. She also once lifted me by the back of my shirt and by my belt, carried me to my room, slammed me on my bed and pinned me helplessly, joking and saying if she went crazy only her mom could save me. I generally like being lifted. I obviously like Amanda lifting me, and I somewhat enjoy Katie lifting me, it is a little odd to be lifted by Aubrey but I don’t mind it too much. TimApr 06 2021 11:52am tim that sounds ok, there just playing with you, to katie especally your like a doll, so shes gonna treat you a bit like 1 sometimes. Girls as strong as her can have trouble controling their strength so she might hurt you a bit on accident sometimes. My bro loves it when i lift him and when hes in a bad mood i offer and it cheers him up. Sometimes he asks me to carry him around on my shoulders for a long time or he randomly jumps onto my back, when were watching tv on the couch he gets me to cradle him in my arms so hes a few inches above my lap, when i want him to drive me somewhere hell only do it if i carry him to the car and back. I try to surprise him by randomly lifting him and it always make him laugh. He didnt like it that much a few years ago but he came to enjoy it later, so maybe itll be the same for you and youll like katie and aubrey doing it more later. Does either of them ever carry you in public, how do you feel about that? And how do you feel about them not letting you out by yourself now? DashaApr 06 2021 2:22pm Both have carried me in public and I’m fine with it, and especially in Katie’s circumstance, I have no choice. I am fine with not going out alone as both are well qualified to protect me. TimApr 06 2021 2:47pm Yes, you are right. Three of the 22 girls were 10. One beated me rather easy, to one girl i was equal and to the third i was only a very little stronger. All older girls were so strong, i had absolutely no chance. Especially for the girls 16 and older i was only a toy. You are really nice that you treat us weak men so kindly. When i was in school the most girls became stronger than boys when they were 13. So most girls treated us boys like their servant. I remember one of the girls in my class has beaten up some grown men when she realized that she became stronger. She often threated that she will do it to us boys. We boys were intimidiated by her because we knew that a grown man is much stronger than a boy. What will a girl do to a boy when she can easily beatup a grown man as well? She could kill him accidentially or break all his bones. On the other hand i knew, that many girls are nice to boys. All my girlfriends were stronger than me and pretty rarely one of them were malicious to me. Only one of my girlfriends makes me a submissive guy. Since then i‘m berry often submissive because i see always again and again that girls are much stronger than me and i know what they can do to a weak man if they become angry. And i read it here. If a girl like Reba would ask me if i think i‘m weaker than her i would say: Of course, i‘m a man and i struggle to lift 25 lb and to lift more is hardly possible for me. I‘m sure you can do reps with 35 lb easily, isn‘t it? Yes, you are a girl and simply stronger than we men! Henni Apr 06 2021 3:00pm Henni yea, and since your stronger than most men so were all 3 10yos, they were probably equal to the average man when they were 9. I got girl cousins who work out and i know girls from other schools and almost all of them could curl 20lb when they turned 9. In my school girls can do that when they turn 8, but the girls in my school are a bit different. I know in the past girls didnt start working out and becoming stronger until alot older but its still wierd to me that girls under 12 used to be not stronger than boys, its so different now. The girls i know who go to school with boys say the same as what happened in your school except this is also in elementary and middle schools, that the girls boss around the boys including much older boys and the boys mostly do what they say because theyve seen other boys getting beat up. I got a girl cousin i really dont like and when she was 12 in middle school a 8th grade boy refused an order, she beat him up a bunch of times but he kept refusing. So she beat up his dad really bad in front of him, after that he never did anything against her. Shes really horrible and i dont let her near my bro or my dad, and if i was at 1 of those schools id try to stop that kinda thing from happening. Your right that when a girl is like 10 and old enough to beat up a grownup then obviously boys her age and most teenaged boys have no chance and the girls are strong enough to seriously injure them even if they dont mean to, so im really glad my bro goes to a boys school. Its a good idea to be submissive to girls if your a guy just cause you dont know which of them is gonna be like reba or kennedy. Like if it was me i wouldnt hurt you, but if you piss off alot of girls my age youll be in big trouble, so its best just to agree with them and do what they say. Thats what i tell my bro to do if hes alone and he meets basically any girl over 7 even if they dont look that strong, just to be safe. Even better if your a guy you shouldnt be outside without a girl with you, if your alone you got no choice. Stan do you like it when the girls carry you like my bro does, what about in public? Henni after the girls in the gym beat you how did they treat you the next times you saw them? Especally the girls 10-12, did they boss you around or laugh at you or try to scare you at all or were they nice and try to help you work out? DashaApr 06 2021 4:44pm tim it's good that it doesnt bother you when they lift you in public. My bro for a long time didnt like it at all, even after he started to like it in the house. He said he saw everyone staring and it was embarassing for him. Now he doesnt care tho and he likes it just as much in public. Do you not feel a bit embarassed at all when they carry you where people can see? what if its people you know? Also, my dad is still upset now he knows hes weaker than me, even after i showed him im stronger than almost all men and hes not weak for a man. I wanna understand how he feels so can you say how you felt when you found you were weaker than katie? What about when aubrey became stronger? DashaApr 06 2021 5:05pm I feel a little bit embarrassed when I get carried in public, since it is essentially a statement to everyone nearby that I am weaker than and helpless against children, one of which was my own daughter. While I don’t find it too embarrassing, it is somewhat embarrassing to essentially Telegraph to everyone my daughter and her young friend are each essentially “my boss†and that their will supersedes my own. If it is people I know then I don’t really mind, as I only know a few people to a truly good level. When I found out I was weaker than Katie I was totally shocked to my core that such a young child could overpower me in any way, let alone physical. At first it was crushing, but overtime it grew neat, and Katie enjoyed manhandling me and using me like a grown doll, and I grew to appreciate her strength and her muscles, the dedication they represented, and I grew to see Katie as not just some little girl, but more like a beacon of dedication, strength, and perseverance, and above all... a good person. It was a little worse knowing my own daughter could supersede my authority as well, but as time went on, I accepted that too, and eventually grew to view her in a similar light. TimApr 06 2021 6:50pm Tim thats basically how my bro used to feel about me carrying him in public, but now hes gotten over that and he likes it. Hes proud of me and he likes showing me off to everyone, and hes not ashamed anymore that his 11yo sister is stronger than him cause he knows im stronger than almost every guy his age. Hes fine with everyone knowing and he enjoys seeing people stare now, when he sees someone staring he waves at them and gets me to flex at them, alot of the time you can see the shock on there faces and my bro thinks thats really funny. Probably the embarassment will pass for you too, cause guys shouldnt be embarassed when girls katie and aubreys age are stronger, its normal now. There kinda your boss cause there so much stronger and you cant say no if they want something, but they treat you well and i think they mostly boss you around for your own safety, so its ok. I get why it would still be embarassing if like your at home alone and your friend invites you to go somewhere, and you gotta say your not allowed to cause your girls arent there to go with you for protection, has that ever happened? What you said about how it felt when you found out your weaker than katie and aubrey is really helpful cause i think my dad feels the same right now, hes going thru the 1st stage like you did. I dont want him to feel bad so ive been trying not to remind him, i dont work out where he can see and i wear clothes that hide my arm muscles and i pretend that lifting heavy things is hard and i told my bro to stop teasing him, but i dont think its helping. Do you think i should go the other way and do what katie did with you? Show him my strength more and manhandle him and wrestle him and lift him and show myself lifting things he cant lift, stuff like that? Maybe then hell get used to the facts quicker and hell get over it and move on and start thinking of me like you think of katie and aubrey? Like when they make people with a phobia face there fear, or like ripping a bandaid off quick instead of dragging it out. Like yesterday he went out of the house by himself after dark and i was worried about him, id like to make him follow the same rule my bro does but it would make him feel so bad to take rules from me, if i can make him get over it quicker then i can do things like that and hell be safer and ill feel better. What do you think? DashaApr 06 2021 7:46pm I think you should do what Katie and Aubrey did. Continue to show your strength and don’t hide it. It will become normal to him and he’ll have no choice but to accept it. Ripping the bandaid off and building normalcy so the best choice in this situation. TimApr 06 2021 9:02pm Dasha - I've gained a bit of weight recently, Emma's been making me eat a lot more than usual, so now I'm somewhere between 105-110lbs and not officially underweight anymore. I don't know how much I can curl because the lightest weights at my friend's house are 25lbs, Kennedy gave away her lighter dumbbells to some 1st graders in her club and obviously I can't curl the 25s. I'm close to being able to bench press 50lbs now though, which is obviously nothing for a girl, I'm guessing you can do that with one arm, but apparently it's more than most guys my weight can do. I do like being carried especially by Emma, she's very gentle and careful about it. Lilly (the 11-year-old sister) is as well, but Kennedy can be quite rough and careless, she's bumped my head on the ceiling a few times and she usually just drops me when she's done. It's still pretty fun being carried by any of them, often one of them wakes me up in the morning by lifting me out of bed in a cradle carry and carrying me downstairs, or into the bathroom so I can brush my teeth while I'm still in their arms. Emma can lift me in the same way Tim described Katie doing, by grabbing my belt and the back of my shirt, she can actually hold me right above her head with her arms outstretched like that. They all really enjoy lifting me as well, I'm the lightest guy they know so it's very easy for them. Yesterday they even played a kind of "the floor is lava" game with me, where all afternoon they prevented my feet from touching the floor. They put me on chairs or on the couch, and when I needed to move one of them would carry me, and they often passed me around between them. This included when I had to go to the shop, Lilly gave me a piggy back ride. It was a lot of fun. I used to feel a bit like your brother did about being carried in public, but I got over that pretty quickly and now they do it often. I'm used to people staring and it doesn't bother my anymore. I agree with Tim that the best thing for you to do with your dad is probably to show off for a while and make the extent of your strength superiority over him abundantly clear every day, it'll be tough for him at first but that way it will get normalized and he'll get over it a lot more quickly. It might sound a bit cruel to do it this way, but in the long term it will be the best for everyone, especially for him. Show all your muscles to him and make him compare with his own, wrestle him, lift him, and overpower him even if he tells you to stop. Pin his arms and challenge him to break free, or twist them behind his back until he submits. Do this kind of thing several times a day, every day. Make it very clear that the disparity between the two of you is so large that he'll never be able to reach you no matter how hard he tries, and he'll be forced to come to terms with it. Be careful not to hurt him, but be very domineering with him for the next week or two. My friend Quint told me this is basically how his sister Lilly got him to accept their situation 2 or 3 years ago, she just manhandled him constantly until he got used to it. I'm sure almost all of your friends in your school are stronger than their dads as well, how have they handled the situation? StanApr 07 2021 5:47am Tim - So the strength difference between you and Aubrey is constantly increasing. Doing reps with 30lbs is still far, far more than most guys can do, especially men who weigh what you do. You'll probably be back to the 35lbs ones after you've been training for a bit longer, but by then Aubrey will have moved up as well. Do you know what her max weight for one rep is? The pranks they play on you sound very similar to what Lilly, Kennedy, and Emma do with me, it's mostly just harmless playing. Like Dasha said, especially between you and Katie the disparity in strength is so large and she can lift you so easily that you're like a doll to her, and the same is true of me and all three of these girls. It's natural that they'd treat us a bit like a doll or a toy sometimes, but that's OK as long as they're careful not to hurt us. I was never as shaken as you were about being weaker than young girls, I've always known I was, but it was still shocking when I learned just how young the girls who are stronger than me are these days. It didn't take me long to get over it, and now I see them in basically the same way you see Katie and Aubrey, I admire their ability and I'm extremely grateful to them for protecting me. I do think the dynamic is probably different when it's your younger sister or even more when it's your daughter, the role-reversal must be pretty jarring, so was it harder to come to terms with Aubrey than with Katie? Do you ever show either of them off to other guys you know? StanApr 07 2021 6:06am Tim and stan yea i think thats good advice, when i get home from school later im gonna start doing that kinda thing with my dad, ill stop hiding how much stronger i am than him and ill show him how i can overpower him and stuff. He wont like it but i think your right that its the best way to handle it and itll make him accept things faster, so hell be happier in the long run. Ill let you know how it goes. I told my bro what i was gonna do and he agrees, hes actually really excited about it and he wants to see it, he said i should of done it along time ago. Yea all my friends who live with there dads are stronger than them and they all handle it in different ways. Some of them are both fine with it and get along fine, there dads ask them to help with heavy lifting and stuff. Some of them there dads dont like it and its awkward. Theres 1 girl in my class whos real mean to her dad, she always brags about how hes afraid of her and she makes him buy her stuff and she can do whatever she wants cause he doesnt try to controll her. I dont want that to be what its like with my dad, but i guess its gonna be a bit like that for a little while until he gets over it that im alot stronger. Im not gonna make him buy me anything and im still gonna do my chores and stuff, but hes probably gonna be afraid of me for a while since ill be overpowering him every day, i just hope he becomes ok with it soon so we can go back to normal. I wanna make him follow my the rule i made for my bro that he cant go out after dark by himself, there are a couple neighbor girls who he can pay to help him when im not arround, i dont know if i should do that soon or wait until hes ok with the situation first. Tim and stan what do you think? Tim, youve kinda been in my dads position so you got any more advice for me? Henni what do you think of the whole plan about how i handle my dad in general, you think tim and stan are right about what i should do? DashaApr 07 2021 10:58am so it turns out i had to stay and sleep in my dorm in the school today so i didnt go back to my house, ill go back tomorrow. Thats kinda good cause it gives me more time to get advice about how i should handle my dad, ive already know basically what im gonna do but i could use more advice on some stuff. Tim and henni and stan you got anything to ad? can you answer the questions i asked before? DashaApr 07 2021 7:13pm I recommend doing it as soon as possible. I would just say don’t be afraid to show your strength, but don’t show off to an extreme degree. Just be confident in your strength, but not over zealous. TimApr 07 2021 10:00pm Dasha, i think you should do it these way Stan and Tim suggested. When i brought one of my girlfriends at my home. She was 14 yo and told my parents that she startet working out two years ago but first time she had an armwrestling match with a grown man a few days ago. She was surprised how easy it was for her to pin this mans hand down to the table. She hurts him accidentially a little because she gave her full power. She didn‘t expect that a man is that weak compared to a girl. Anyway my dad thought that a 14 yo girls can not be so much stronger but he was wrong of course. With 14 she could already beat almost every men without to much trouble. At the first times he was scared of her but later he was used to it that she was much stronger. So it was normal that he asked her for help with heavy things. Moreover that much new it wasn‘t for my dad because my mum had surpassed my dad physically also after she started her working out routine. It was not weird for him that a women is stronger. Henni Apr 08 2021 3:41am Dasha, maybe you can compare with your dad by using dumbbells? When he struggle to curl 25 lb and you struggle with 45 lb, it‘s obviousely who is stronger, isn‘t it? Or if he do 2 or maybe 3 curls with difficulties with 25 lb, it is, let‘s say 75lb. When you do 20 curls with 35 lb it is 700 lb. His endurance and strength compare to yours is just 11%. If he is curious you can still do an armwrestling match. Henni Apr 08 2021 4:07am Dasha - If you want to get him to accept it as quickly as possible, you should make sure to leave absolutely no doubt in his mind about who is physically superior, and remind him constantly until the shock wears off. If you try to be moderate about it then it will just drag out the process, but if you just go all-out for a while you'll get it over with a lot quicker, and then your relationship can go back to normal. If you hold back it might take a month or two, but if you do it this way I think it will only take a couple of weeks. Showing him you can lift heavier dumbbells can be a part of it, but it's not enough by itself. Think of it like exposure therapy, he's upset about the fact that he is inferior to you, so you just have to expose him to that fact constantly until it becomes normalized. That doesn't just mean showing him you can lift more than him, it also means showing him how easily you can physically dominate him. Tim said that Aubrey and Katie overpower him constantly and several times every day, and that's what you should do too. Randomly lift him up and carry him around, wear clothes that reveal your abs and biceps, repeatedly wrestle him to the ground and pin him there. Make him admit he's weaker than you every day, and eventually his shame will go away. You do need to make sure you don't hurt him, the strength difference between you is so large that it might happen accidentally, so you need to be careful about that. Don't use your strength to make him do anything for your benefit, try not to laugh at him, and make sure he knows you're not trying to injure him or cause him excessive pain. He will still be scared of you at first, and that might be hard for you, but after a week or two of being constantly overpowered and manhandled without ever being really hurt he'll learn that you don't pose any danger to him and the fear will dissipate. I'm not sure if you should make him follow the rule about not going out at night alone immediately or if you should wait, it might be a good idea to overpower him a couple of times first, then explain that almost all girls your age and most girls even a couple years younger than you are capable of doing the same thing, and that's why it isn't safe for him to be out alone. If you end up starting this approach today, let us know how it goes. StanApr 08 2021 5:58am yea thats what im gonna do. Its gonna be kinda hard for me cause i dont want to be mean to my dad, but i can see hes feeling really bad about himself now and its not getting better, so this plan will make him feel worse at first but then hell get back to normal alot faster, so its actually good for him. Ive been talking to some girls in my class about it and 1 of them did basically the same thing last year and now her dad completely accepts it and they get along great. Id love it if my dad thought of me like my bro does, i have a lot of fun wrestling and lifting and protecting my bro so it would be great if i could do that with my dad too and if he likes it like my bro does. I really dont like the idea of my dad being scared of me but your right stan that if i keep overpowering him but he never gets hurt then my strength will stop being scary to him. I think it might give him the wrong idea if i make him follow rules right off the bat, but also im really worried about him walking around by himself, so im not sure what to do. Maybe i should get him to go somewhere dangerous with alot of girls my age, like a girls gym, and hope 1 of them scares him so i can protect him, what do you think tim and henni and stan? Tim, did katie or aubrey scare you at first? How did it feel and how did you get over it, or do they still scare you a bit now? DashaApr 08 2021 7:27am Dasha - Good luck! It probably will be a bit difficult to cause your dad that kind of embarrassment, but you're absolutely right that it's best for his feelings in the long term if you do this now so he can move on sooner. I see what you mean about making him follow your rule, it might backfire a bit. Taking him to a girls' gym sounds like a good idea, he can see how strong other girls your age and younger are, and it might convince him that he does need to be protected. Your relationship with your brother sounds a lot like how me and Emma get on, and it is very fun for both of us, if you can get to that with your dad as well it will be great for him. He'll definitely be afraid of you while you're overpowering and manhandling him several times a day, that will diminish as time goes on, but I think he might never stop being at least a tiny bit scared of you. But that's true whether you try this method or not, it's natural to have a little bit of fear if you live with someone your age who is capable of overpowering you so easily, Emma is very gentle with me and would never hurt me but I'm still a little afraid of what she can do. I'd also like to know if Tim is still a little scared of Aubrey and especially Katie? I'm used to being weaker than young girls but none of them have been in my immediate family, and I think that's a different dynamic. Tim, was it harder to accept that Aubrey was stronger than you than with Katie? StanApr 08 2021 10:39am Dasha - have you interacted with your dad yet, how did it go? Tim, did you see the questions Dasha and I asked before? StanApr 08 2021 6:59pm They somewhat scared me at first, especially Katie although not that much, I just didn’t expect her to be somewhat stronger than me. When she revealed her true strength it really scared me for a second, but I realized that neither of them wished me harm, and both saw me as someone they cared about, so my fear largely dissipated after that. I will occasionally fear an imaginary possibility of what Katie could do to me or others with her overwhelming strength, but those are more the concerns of my imagination than reality. The only real fear I have is of Katie accidentally hurting me, as she is very strong and can kind of squish my body, so I worry what harm she’ll cause if she’s not careful. TimApr 08 2021 10:45pm Tim - that's basically how I feel about Emma, she's aware of how powerful she is compared to me and she's always very careful around me, but it would only take a small mistake for her to break one of my bones, so I can't help but be a little afraid. I am scaredof Kennedy, but I think anyone would be, she's nothing like Katie or Aubrey or Dasha. She is a bit fond of me and she wouldn't intentionally injure me, but if it weren't for Lilly and Emma she would be a lot more rough with me for her own enjoyment, and I'd probably get hurt. What about the other question, was it harder to accept and come to terms with the fact that Aubrey is significantly stronger and capable of overpowering you than it was with Katie, given that she's your daughter? StanApr 09 2021 4:52am Hey so i went back to the house yesterday and ive started the new aproach with my dad. I talked about it to my bro while he was driving me home and we decided how i should do it. I brought my dumbells to the living room and lifted them where my dad could see, i made sure he saw i was doing reps with 40lb and i wore a tank top so he could see my biceps real clearly. I could see him looking at them then looking away all the time. Before i left 2 45lb dumbells next to where he sits so i asked him to bring them to me, he couldnt really lift them with 1 hand so he had to use 2 hands and bring them 1 by 1. Then i curled them both in each hand for reps in front of him while i looked him in the eye, his face got all red and he was embarassed. I felt bad for him but i knew that would happen and i knew all this was to help him even if he was embarassed at first, so i kept going with the plan. After i lifted i went and sat accross from my dad and told him to arm wrestle me, he didnt want to but i grabbed his arm and put it in the position. He pushed and i held my arm still for a long time, then i pushed it down, it was really easy ive arm wrestled 3rd graders in my school and its harder with them. Then i told him i was gonna wrestle with him, he said no and i said i wouldnt do it if he could beat me in arm wrestling with his 2 hands. It was close and he almost got me but i held out and he got tired and i won. My dad looked really ashamed and he got up and tried to leave even tho i said the deal was that he has to wrestle with me now, he kept walking away. I was about to pick him up and pin him but he looked so ashamed and i felt so bad for him that i let him go and said id wrestle him later. My bro said i shouldnt of done that, he said stans right that i gotta really dominate him for a while if hes gonna get over it quickly, i know hes right but its hard for me to make my dad feel bad like that. Still i gotta do it anyway, i gotta keep doing stuff like that until its normal to him, if i dont hell never get over it and hell be ashamed forever. I kept working out where he could see for the rest of the day, and my bro wanted to wrestle me so i did that in front of my dad aswell, and i carried him too. Im gonna keep showing him my strength, ill do it more today when im back from school. Stan and tim and henni you got any ideas about what i can do to show him? I wanna make it really big so he gets over it asap, but i also dont wanna hurt him, im ok with embarassing him cause its all for his own good. Ive never lifted him so i gotta do that, maybe i should do something else with him in public where people can see, or is that too much? Has that happened to any of you guys? DashaApr 09 2021 8:44am Dasha - I can imagine that it must be difficult for you, you're a good and empathetic person so it can't be easy causing such embarrassment to your dad. Just remember that it is all for his own good. It's a bit like how your brother complained when you forbade him from leaving the house at night alone, now he sees it's for the best and he's thanked you for doing it. When your dad has gotten over the hit to his ego and he's happy again, he'll thank you for what you did. The analogy of ripping off a band-aid all at once instead of slowly peeling it off fits this situation very well, a lot of pain that's over very quickly is far preferable to a lesser degree of pain that lasts a long time. The worst thing you could do is what you were doing before, when you were hiding your strength from him even though he already knew. If you hold back and only demonstrate your superiority a moderate amount, you'll just be dragging out the process and causing your dad more discomfort. You should wrestle, pin, manhandle, and lift him practically every time you see him and every day, until your dad sees it as routine and normal instead of shameful. Katie and Aubrey do that to Tim, and it didn't take long before it stopped bothering him, if you want ideas maybe read Tim's posts and see the kind of thing his girls do with him. Tim, if you're reading this maybe you could provide more examples, it could be helpful. Men need to drop the idea that it's shameful to be weaker than a girl your age anyway, I think most girls your age (or at least a very significant percentage) are already stronger than the average man, and before long it will be almost all of you. If men's pride prevents them from admitting that to themselves and turning to the girls in their own life for protection, then they'll be putting themselves in a lot of danger. Your brother was correct that you should have wrestled him yesterday, but you've got plenty of time to do it over the weekend. Make sure you don't hurt him and don't use threats to advantage yourself, but beyond that you should stop holding back, it's the kindest thing you could do for your dad. Has your brother read this thread? If so, do you think he'd be willing to come on here and talk? StanApr 09 2021 12:36pm To answer a question from a while ago, it was slightly more embarrassing to find out Aubrey was stronger than me, but in some ways it wasn’t as I knew Katie was training her, and I could literally see her strength increase over time. But I would say overall it was slightly more embarrassing. As for what I can recommend for dasha is to lift her dad in public, and maybe just display your overall superiority in strength. Pin him against something somewhere in view of others, but not super publicly, embarrass him, but not too much. Just constantly display your strength and overpower him a bit at most chances you get. TimApr 09 2021 1:35pm Oh yeah, I forgot to answer the question about doing things in public. I agree with Tim, it's definitely something you should do, but it is possible to go too far. When you're at home then you shouldn't hold back when you're overpowering him (just make sure not to hurt him), but public humiliation is a whole different beast, and too much of that can backfire. Maybe just carry him around or pin him against a wall in view of other people, but don't make a big scene of wrestling him to the ground or anything, at least not at first. It's good to embarrass him a bit though, since the only way he'll stop being embarrassed about being weaker than you is for you to put him in those situations often. When it's just you and him (and your brother), you can go a lot further than you can in public, manhandle him and show him exactly how powerless he is against you, it's the quickest way to get him to move on. Tim, can you give some more examples of the things Katie and Aubrey do/did to overpower you and demonstrate their strength? I think it would be helpful, since your situation is somewhat similar to Dasha's dad's, and how your girls handled it seems to have worked since you've accepted the situation now. StanApr 09 2021 1:53pm Dasha, i have thought about and i think it‘was really good that you have shown your dad that you are stronger than him. Because since i had my first girlfriend i was always weaker than girls. I think my first girlfriend had treaten me as a weak boy since the first day absolutely natually. I think in her family they males were also weaker than the women. Her older sister had often helped her dad with things who are usualy to heavy for man. I don‘t remember if my girlfriend was already stronger than her dad but to me she often said that i‘m as boy the weaker sex and this or that i can‘t do because i‘m just a weak boy. I grew up with girls around me who are stronger and i was often overpowered by them also in front of friends. Many girls like to show to us boys that we are to weak for many things by provoke situations you need really a lot of power to resolv it. Of course often i had to ask a girl for help and often i have heard, i should let do it a girl because i‘m a male, a weakling. I think you can do the same with your dad. Prepare a situation he can solve only by physical power. You will see pretty often he can‘t. Also at some daily tasks he need his full physical power to do it and often he can it do only one by one. In all these cases you can support him. I can imagine so he will learn that he can ask you with all these heavy things he can‘t do. Maybe you can challage him later who of you can sort heavy things into a closet faster. It depends what you decide to use here but i can imagine he will need much more time than you. For example in my company we did a contest. Who can pack a pallet faster, 2 men or 2 women. The female team did this much faster and with less broken boxes. Especially with the boxes on the top of the stack the males had a lot trouble. The women were done after less than 15 minutes, the men need almost one hour. I‘m sure later if he have to do things he can do only with much effort, he will ask you. You can do it much easier and faster with a little help from him. Henni Apr 09 2021 3:21pm Thanks guys for the advice, its really helpful. I told some friends at school about my dad and they all said pretty much the same thing. I know its the right thing to do for my dad but i still dont like making him sad so its good to hear other people say it too. So today when i got home i walked in on my dad trying to work out, he was trying to curl my 30lb but he couldnt do it, and when he saw me he dropped it and pretended he wasn't using it. I wanted to laugh but i stopped myself. I was gonna do some bench presses, but my bro wanted to be the bar so i did some with him as the bar, its kinda hard to grip him right but hes alot lighter than the bars i use so its not hard and he really likes it, and i saw my dad watching. When i was done i went to my dad and said he owes me a wrestle from yesterday, he didnt want to but i walked toward him, he put out his arms to stop me but i grabbed his arms and put my foot behind his leg and pushed so he fell down on the exercise mat. I wrestled him and i know i shouldnt but i went a bit easy on him but it didnt make a difference, i pinned him in like 10 seconds, hes stronger than my bro but he was easier to pin cause my bro has more practice. So i was sitting on his chest and i had his arms pinned to the ground and he said i win, and i said id let him go when he says whos stronger. He didnt say anything so i kept him pinned and he struggled but he couldnt get his arms free, after a while i just let him go. He doesnt wanna admit it even tho its so obvious, i gotta make him admit it if hes gonna move on. After that i stood up and i pretended to fall over, then i said my leg had fallen asleep while we were wrestling and i asked him to put me on the couch. He lifted me a bit then dropped me, he couldnt really do it. I stood up and said my leg is actually better and i wanted to try lifting dad, then i put one arm at the back of his thighes and pushed so he fell backwards and i caught him with my other arm behind his back, so now i was cradle carrying him. He felt alot lighter than i expected so i walked around a bit and i told him it was really easy to carry him, then i put him on the couch and told him to rest cause he must be tired. This was the 1st time i ever lifted my dad and it really shocked him especally after he couldnt lift me, he just lay on the couch for a long time staring up. I saw my bro taking pictures of me carrying him and he said he took pictures of me pinning him aswell, i told him not to put them online, but he made 1 his laptop wallpaper and he printed out 2 more and put them on the wall in his room so that if your in the hall you can see them if his door is open. I lifted him a few more times aswell, later he was trying to change a lightbulb but he could just barely reach, and i stood on the couch and put my hands under his armpits and lifted him high into the air like that, he freaked out a little but i told him relax i wont drop you, and he changed the bulb. Just now he was on the couch again and he was closing his eyes and he looked really tired so i surprised him by picking him up again in a cradle and carrying him to bed even tho it was kinda early, i tucked him in and told him goodnight and said wed wrestle some more tomorrow. Ill be out in public with him tomorrow so ill follow tims and stans advice about that. Now im sure what im doing is right, he cant even admit hes weaker than me even tho i can lift 2x what he can and i can beat both his arms with 1 of mine, hes really in denial so i gotta make it real clear so he can admit it and get over it. Im surprised he wont even admit im stronger, if he cant even do that then i got alot of work to do. Do you guys think i need to be even harder on him now? What should i do about this, do i need to embarass him in public more than you said before? Hes alot worse than i thought if he cant even admit it, i think this means i gotta change my plans a bit, but im not sure how and i need some advice. I already changed plans a little when i put him to bed, thats not something i was gonna do before. Is that the right kinda thing to do now? Ill be with him all day tomorrow so it would be nice if you guys could give me some advice tonight or tomorrow morning so ill know what to do soon. Maybe katie or aubrey can say what they would of done if tim had been in denial like that? DashaApr 09 2021 6:36pm Dasha, if you overpower him in public you increase the pressure. Maybe you should really go with him to any place he can see that women and also girls are basically all stronger than men. But actually it‘s not rarely anymore. When i go through the mall i see often women and also girls who show to their men and boyfriends that they are stronger. Again and again i see men who ask women for help with that heavy things they selfes are to weak for. In one of these polls i read a conersation who a man was asked if he need help with heavy stuff, do he ask a man or a woman? His answer was, he would ask a woman of course because he know the woman is most likely stronger, the man is maybe only strong enough to do it with him together only. Maybe it needs that kind of examples for your dad? With my first girlfriend who wanted to male me submissive it was the same. She wanted me often to admit that she is stronger and i had to talk with her in a submissive kind. This means i had to obey if she said something or if i want to do anything i had to ask for her permission. On the other hand she surpressed me also in public almost to the maximum acceptable level. I have learned it‘s easier for me to do what she want and also to ask her for help with anything who‘s to heavy for me and this also in a way that anyone around us got notice that i‘m submissive to her and that i‘m weaker than my girlfriend. On the other hand she took me with her to her friends and there it was normal that the boyfriends were submissive. So it became more and more normal for me. My current girlfriend is not that bossy but i‘m sure she enjoys that she can make me submissive very fast and i had never a problem to admit that i‘m weaker than her. In our realtionship she‘s always the boss in anyway. It is just not always obvious but she can change it in a second. Henni Apr 09 2021 11:45pm Dasha - The way you're going about it was just right, you're definitely handling it correctly. I'm surprised your dad won't even admit he's weaker, he really is in a state of denial, and it's important that he break out of that. You've proved it so many times and it's incredibly obvious, so deep down he definitely knows, he just can't bring himself to acknowledge it. If he can't even admit it, there's no way he can come to terms with it and move on. It's probably not the idea of a female being stronger than him that's giving him so much trouble, it's the idea of an 11-year-old girl and especially of his own daughter that's the real issue. I think this does mean you have to be even harder on him, including in public. Before I would have told you not to boss him around at all, but now it might be a good idea to do that a little bit, putting him to bed early was a good thing to do. If he is forced to follow your orders it will be hard for him to deny to himself that he is weaker than you, and it might help him break out of his state of denial. Continue to overpower him at every chance you get, and I think you have a license to be rougher with him than you were being before, although you still have to make sure you don't really hurt him. I think the best thing to do is to overpower him several times when you're out in public today, spend a lot of time carrying him around, and make sure other people see, although don't take it too far. Wrestle him some more, and pin him in a slightly painful way (not too painful), and refuse to let go until he says out loud that you are stronger than he is, even if you have to tighten your grip and stay like that for an hour. Make that a routine, so at least once a day you make him admit that he is weaker as you're overpowering him, until he's not even denying it to himself anymore. Once he's willing to say it, ask him which of you is stronger all the time, it should be the first thing you say to him in the morning and the last thing you say to him at night. Did you see what I asked about your brother? Tim, were you ever in denial about your inferiority to Katie or Aubrey? StanApr 10 2021 6:22am It is hard to say I was in denial. The closest I came was when Katie didn’t use her full power against me and only barely beat me. I thought I may have had a bad day but once she used her true power I realized I was way weaker. TimApr 10 2021 11:23am Tim - you said before that Aubrey and Katie like to overpower you at various points during the day, could you give some more examples of how they do that? Also, do you agree that Dasha should be more rough or domineering with her dad then she previously planned, given his state of denial? StanApr 10 2021 11:37am Yea thanks stan i think your right and my bro agrees. My bro has read this page and i dont know if he wants to join in, ill ask. Ive decided to be more forcefull with my dad then i was being before, i think i have to. When i lift him that seems to have a big affect on him so ive been doing more of that. I always work out at least 3 hours a day and just doing it at home isnt enough so my dad said hed take me to the gym in the morning, but he was still in bed even tho i was bugging him to drive me. So i just picked him up off the bed and carried him downstairs and put him in the car, and got him to drive me there in his pajamas. Later he came to pick me up, he called and i told him to come to the weight room, i wanted him to see all the other girls, most of them are about my age and most are just as strong as me. I was bench pressing 175lb which isnt that much for me, and when i saw my dad i went over to him and told him to have a go with what i was lifting. He said no but i grabbed his belt on both sides of his hips and lifted him up by it, and carried him over to it and made him lie on the bench. He tried to get up but i pushed him back down and held him there and put his hands on the bar. He tried to lift it but he really couldnt even do it a little bit, it was like if he was trying to lift a car. The other girls and the 2 or 3 guys that were there were watching and alot of them laughed, then i picked my dad up again and carried him out thu the gym and out the door and to the car. We were gonna meet my bro in a park and i was gonna wrestle him some more in the park where people could see, but he got a call from his work saying he needs to come in for some emergency. We were near his work so i told him to just let me out and ill walk home, he said it wasnt safe, and i flexed my arm and said, whos gonna hurt me? He looked at my flexed arm for a long time then said ok. Hes still at work now he wont be back until night, maybe ill wrestle him and make him admit hes weaker tonight or maybe ill do it tomorrow. Do you guys have any ideas about things i can do that will make him admit it but arent too mean? Or just generally things i should do this week with him? Would it help if i show him other younger girls are stronger than him too do you think? I know theres this girl who lives near me, shes really really amazing shes the strongest in 1st grade in my school and shes stronger than all the 2nd graders aswell, shes 7 and shes way stronger than i was when i was 7, i think shes almost as strong as i am now. I was thinking maybe i should get her to come over and challange my dad, do you guys think that would be good for him? Tim does katie still read this page, it would be cool if she could give me advice too. DashaApr 10 2021 5:02pm Dasha - I definitely think you're on the right track with how you're acting around your dad, keep doing what you're doing. As I said before, you should pin him down in a slightly painful way and not let him go until he admits he's weaker than you, and once he's done that you need to make him repeat that admission at least once a day. I think it's probably a good idea to bring that girl over to your house and have her compete with your dad, it might help if he sees that almost every girl your age who has been working out for as long as you is stronger than him, and that some girls get there even earlier. After being beaten by a 7-year-old, he might be willing to admit that an 11-year-old like you is stronger than him, and that's the first step toward getting over it. I'd also like to hear from Katie again, maybe Tim could ask her if she wants to return. StanApr 11 2021 9:44am stan thats pretty much what i did today and it kinda worked. I spent the whole day randomly picking him up and carrying him around, like i picked him up out of bed and carried him downstairs 1st thing in the morning and i often randomly lifted him like i do to my bro, only my dad doesnt like it, but i still gotta do it. I also showed him me lifting things he cant, like when we went shopping he was struggling lifting 2 bags from the car and i made sure he saw me lifting 2 in each hand. Then in the evening after i carried him around on my shoulder i put him down and told him to admit i was stronger. He didnt do it so i said id show him, he actually tried to run away but my bro blocked the door. I picked him up again and slammed him into my exercise mat and then wrestled him for a while, i didnt pin him immidiately cause i wanted to show him how i could manhandle him and move his arms around and all that. Then i got him in a pin where he was face down and i was on top of him and i had his arms grabbed behind his back. I told him to admit it and he didnt, so i bent his arms a bit, i was really careful that i didnt break them or hurt him too bad. He told me to let him go but i twisted his arms some more and finally he admitted it, he said i was stronger than him, and then i let him go. I told him i was sorry for hurting him but he had to admit it. Then i said that most girls my age are stronger than him aswell and almost all girls like me whove been working out since 1st grade are, and he didnt wanna believe me and he said i was special and no other 5th grade girls can be stronger than him. So i still gotta show him that, but its still really good that hes admitted it, he looked kinda ashamed but it wasnt as bad as i thought. I made him say it again before he went to bed too. Normally hed tell me to wash the dishes but he didnt do it this time, i did it anyway but he didnt wanna order me, i think hes kinda scared of me now and i dont like that, but i guess that was always gonna happen and hell get over that. Still its progress, if any of you guys got any more advice that would be nice, especally from tim or even more from katie since there kinda like me and my dad. DashaApr 11 2021 6:32pm Alright Sasha you’re doing basically what I did to Tim, the only thing we did different was that I was lifting Tim perhaps slightly more than you were lifting your dad. Tim just quickly and willingly admitted I was stronger without too much convincing. The only thing I can recommend is maybe like you suggested show him other strong girls KatieApr 11 2021 9:36pm Dasha, i wonder why your dad had that long a problem that you are stronger than him. Actually it should be normal for him to be weaker than women and also girls. I can‘t imagine that he neve came in touch with a girl who showed to him that she is stronger also if she did this not intentionally. Also in the company he work for he must came in touch with women, or not? Around me i see this very often that women but also girls are stronger than me or most other men. My girlfriend is stronger than me, almost all female friends are stronger and when i go into the gym i‘m as man see it that i‘m on a level of 10 yo girls. In my company in the office room i work in, i‘m the only man and i‘m the weakest between to the women. And at this challange to pack a pallet with heavy boxes at soon as possibe the women wiped the floor with the men. I see it always and the whole day that females are in better shape and stronger than men. Why your dad has such a problem to accept this? He can be lucky that you are a nice girl who take care on weak boys and men. Henni Apr 11 2021 10:15pm Henni i kinda understand why hes so upset cause he grew up thinking boys are stronger and he thinks makes him less manly if hes weaker than a girl. Really being weaker than girls is the most manly thing tho lol, its very typical for a man. He works in an office so i guess he cant see how strong the women there are. Im sure he knows my mom was stronger than him tho. I think hes ok with being weaker than a grownup woman but he hates being weaker than young girls and his daughter, and i kinda understand that aswell. Like you said thats normal aswell tho, your strong for a man but most 10yo girls who work out are stronger than you, average men are weaker than most 9yos who work out, and in my school most 8yos are stronger aswell, like my dad can barely curl 25 and i could do that when i was 8. Now that most girls start working out real young soon almost all girls my age will be stronger than men, and guys gotta get over that and realize its normal now. DashaApr 12 2021 6:20am Katie nice to see you and thanks for the advice. Hows aubrey doing, she likes being stronger than guys? Yea my dad was real shocked the 1st time i lifted him but now hes a bit more used to it. Im gonna do what you did and lift him even more, i think its a really good way to show him my strength and how easy i can dominate him without hurting him, 1 day i think hell enjoy it, like my bro does now. Tims alot more mature than my dad for not denying it, but your even stronger than me so i guess it would be even harder to deny it. Yea im gonna show him other girls aswell, hes gotta know its every girl who can beat him and im not special. You got any ideas about how i should lift him or overpower him, any pranks i should pull or stuff like that? You think i should set that rule like you did for tim, that hes not allowed to go outside without a girl with him? DashaApr 12 2021 6:31am Dasha - Good job making him admit it, that's the first step toward accepting it. Just remember that everything you're doing is for your dad's benefit, he'll be much happier once he's come to terms with the fact that he's weaker than you and other girls your age and it stops bothering him, and the fastest way to get him to that stage is to do what you've been doing. If I were in his position I wouldn't want to tell you to wash the dishes either, Tim has also mentioned that he's nervous about disciplining his girls given how easy it would be for either of them to seriously injure him if they wanted. If you choose to you could basically turn yourself into the boss of the family, but I know you don't want to do that, so make sure you keep doing your chores and show your dad you have no interest in usurping his authority or using your power to gain concessions from him. Once he sees that, your relationship will return to something like how it was before. I think you're right about why your dad is so uncomfortable, he's probably aware that there are a lot of adult women who are stronger than him, but the fact that most girls your age are stronger than the average man is very hard for a lot of men to accept. Many guys are raised thinking that males are physically superior to females and it's the job of men to protect them, especially young girls. It can be very hard to learn that it's now the other way around, and young girls are now far superior to most men, and they now have to protect us, often from other young girls. You definitely need to prove to your dad that this is the way things work now, if you really know a 1st grader who is significantly stronger than him that would be a good way of doing that. It's unusual for girls to exceed the strength of the average man that young, but it's not that rare, Emma was definitely that strong in the 1st grade. It's really incredible how powerful girls can become at a very young age if they start training early enough, and the fact that it's now the norm for girls to work out even in 1st grade means we'll soon be in a situation where almost all girls are stronger than most men by the time they enter the 5th grade, so if men like your dad don't accept that fact and admit they need protection from the girls in their family then they'll be putting themselves in real danger. StanApr 12 2021 8:07am Katie - It's great to have you back in the thread. Have you hit any new milestones recently? I'm sure Aubrey has, she's probably getting noticeably stronger every day. I was wondering how you and Aubrey feel about forbidding Tim from leaving the house alone, is it awkward to make an adult man follow rules like that, or does it feel natural for you? Are there any other rules you make him follow? Emma's been ordering me around much more recently, though it's all for my own good, she's been making me eat a lot more than I usually do because she's worried about how skinny I am. Do you do anything like that? StanApr 12 2021 8:21am Yea i think its really the age that makes it so hard for my dad to admit it, and that im his daughter too. I was stronger than my bro since i was 5 and he was 10 or probably even younger, but i didnt fight him until i was 8 and he was 13, and i was way stronger then. My bro really hated it for like a year. He told me later that he already knew he was weaker than all the girls in his class and he was kinda ok with that, but he hated that he was weaker than an 8yo and all the other 8yos in my school. He goes to a boys school now and he had a couple friends who didnt really know girls, they didnt believe him when he said i was stronger than all guys there age and they were really shaken when he got me to prove it to them, they couldnt stand it. It was the same for them, they knew girls there are were stronger but its different when its a girl whos so much younger, it hurts there manliness. I guess its true that alot of guys are proud cause they think there gender is the best in fights and stuff, and its real hard for them when they find out that most guys are actually so weak that most 10yo girls can beat them up. Guys gotta admit it tho, there are alot of girls like your friends sister and the ones who beat up tim around and its not safe for a man, and if they dont admit there weaker than these girls theyll get hurt. I got my dad to say im stronger than him lots of times today like stan said i should, in the morning as i was carrying him out of bed i asked him, which of us is stronger? And he said i was. I asked him the same thing a bunch of times other than that and he always said it, i think its good to get him to say it out loud alot. I only wrestled him once today but i spent all afternoon lifting him like katie said, he barely walked at all i just carried him around, i think hes getting used to it. I havent told him he cant go outside without a girl yet, im not sure if its the right time, and i wanted to get advice about it. Do you guys think i should do it now? Especally tim and katie, what do you think? And katie, you got any ideas for thinks i can do to him that show my strength vs him but wont hurt him too bad and are fun? DashaApr 12 2021 8:15pm Dasha, i think you can do what i already wrote in an older post. You can prepare a situation he has to ask you for help because his weak muscles can‘t do any heavy work. Did he also admit in public that you are stronger? My girlfriends loved to make me ask them for help and i had always to pronounce that they are stronger than me or that i‘m much weaker than them. For example they closed the bottles that tight that i couldn’t open it. I had to ask her because i’m not that strong like her. Or she asked me to take something what was really heavy for me. I had to ask her if she can do it because i‘m to weak and she as girl is much stronger than me. I think other girls do it in same way. Some weeks ago i have seen there were a muscular girl together with two men in a mall. She was dressed in a style to show her muscles and she was really pretty muscular. Anyway each of this two men carried a box who was obviousely pretty heavy because you could see their red exhausted face and they had to put the box down again and again. In the stairwell they had enough and they asked her loud and for anyone to hear, if she could carry the boxes upstairs because she‘s stronger then they both together. I can imagine you can do it on a similar way to your dad. Henni Apr 12 2021 10:23pm Henni ive kinda done stuff like that already, ive shown him i can lift alot more than him like when i was carrying in the shopping bags. It could be good to set up something where he has to ask me for help, i dont know how i could do that tho. Ill ask my bro if he can think of anything. I should do more stuff with him in public, i should make him say im stronger in front of other people, thats a good next step cause it will still be kinda hard for him to do that i think. I still havent wrestled him in public so i gotta do that, and i should carry him around in front of people aswell. This morning i told him i wasnt gonna let his feet touch the ground and i carried him in my arms down from his bed and into the kitchen and kept holding him up as he was making breakfast and put him in my lap as he was eating then carried him to the car, he didnt complain and i think all the lifting im doing is making him more used to it. Im still not sure if i should tell him hes not allowed outside alone yet, do you think i should? Katie are you still around? Would you do it now or wait, and what other things should i do with my dad? DashaApr 13 2021 5:48am Dasha - it sounds like you're making a lot of progress, you're definitely on the right track and your dad will thank you for it before long. It's definitely a good idea to often make your dad say out loud that he's weaker than you, the more he hears himself say it the more normal it will seem. It's ridiculous that he ever denied it, the difference in strength between even an above average man like your dad and a fairly average athletic 11-year-old girl (you said before you're about the same as the other girls in your grade) is so huge, it really shows how different things are now. My friend's sister Lilly told he she could comfortably curl 20lbs (more than most men) when she was still 8, and every single one of the girls she knew who lift weights could do it by the time they turned 9. The 18lbs figure for men is dragged up by the small minority of men who work out, most males live very sedentary lifestyles with no exercise whatsoever, and guys like that usually can't even curl 15lbs, meaning that athletic girls overtake them even earlier. Obviously if you're stronger than the average adult man at 8 or 9, after 2 or 3 more years of training then girls your age will be stronger even than most of the small group of men who do work out, you're probably superior to 99% of males on the planet. If girls care about the men and boys in their families, they should definitely do what you're doing, make them aware of their inferiority, make them accept it, and take responsibility for their safety. My friend's youngest sister Kennedy is out right now trying to provoke a high school boy into starting a fight with her so she can beat him up for fun, and now that it's not at all uncommon for girls as young as her to be stronger even than most adults, that means that girls with her abilities and her attitude are everywhere. That's why I think you should try to forbid your dad from leaving the house without a girl with him as soon as possible, every day he's not following that rule he's putting himself in danger. I'm not sure how the best way to do that is though, I think Katie would probably have more insight into that, it would be good to get her input about that and about the other questions we've asked her. StanApr 13 2021 11:47am Wow Dasha, it‘s impressive that you can carry your dad for that long time. I can imagine hes not very light, isn‘t it? I can‘t carry such a weight for that long time. I don’t have the endurance you have. When i had to do it first time it was for me embarrassing to admit that i‘m weaker than a girl. Nowadays it‘s normal that i‘m as man the weaker sex. But i have to admit it was a little embaradsing again when i realized that i‘m weaker than girls like you. How you wrote that the girls at your school start earier with training and because of this compared with these girls i would be also similar weak to them how Stan is it to girls at other schools. Did your dad now admited that he is weaker than you also in public? I think one day he will talk about that in a normal case. He will mention when he can‘t do something because it‘s to heavy for him, he will say that he will ask you for help because you are so much stronger. Henni Apr 14 2021 4:20am Henni its not really that impressive that i can carry him for that long. It would be impressive if a guy could do it but for a girl my age its easy, all the other girls in the 5th grade could aswell. I know most guys are embarassed that there weaker than 10yo girls but you shouldnt be embarassed, its totally normal and its just the way things are now. Yea the girls in my school are stronger than other girls but not that much, stan said im average 11yo girl but im just average in my school, in other schools id be a bit over average. 100% of the girls in my grade have been doing sports and working out since 1st grade, and i think 5th graders in other schools only maybe 50% have been doing it for that long, the others work out aswell but they started later. I know that even in normal schools the 1st and 2nd graders are now working out alot more, like 80%, and thats what stan said too with his aunts school, so my school isnt that different anymore. Anyway, i think the girls in my school are as strong as girls 1 year older than them in other schools, so im 11 but im as strong as a normal 12yo girl. Like i think aubrey is normal for a 12yo, and im about the same as her i think. I got a girl cousin whos 12 and im about the same as her and her friends. I know in my school almost all of the 8yos can curl more than 20lb, so more than a normal man, that means that in other schools almost all the 9yos who work out are stronger than a normal man. Thats why your about the same as the 10yos in your gym, your strong for a man. Your probably weaker than most 9yos in my school tho, and alot of 8yos are stronger than you aswell. My point is that the girls in my school are only a little better than normal, all girls whove been working out for a few years become better than most men when there 10 at most. My school isnt that special, its just really easy for young girls to get stronger than men, were just naturally like that, and now that most of us are working out early its easy to see it. My bro is 16 and all the 2nd graders in my school can lift more than him and i think most of the 1st graders can now aswell, teenaged guys are even weaker than grownup guys, so alot of girls who start training early can be stronger than them when there still 6 even. DashaApr 14 2021 8:36am Its funny how guys just dont work out, hardly at all. 1 of the gyms i go to outside my school is for age 8 to 18, its supposed to be a mixed gym but there are no guys who are regulars, its all girls. Your not supposed to go if your under 8 but alot of girls younger than that go anyway. Alot of guys join the gym but they always leave really quick. Its funny to see it, all the time some 17yo guy comes in and tries to use the weights the teenaged girls are using, but they cant even lift them, not even a bit. Then they try the lighter weights and they end up using the same ones the 7 and 8yo girls are using for warmups, and alot of the guys cant even lift those properly, They get laughed at cause alot of girls are mean about guys, and they get real embarassed when there seeing all the 8yo girls easily lift the stuff there trying real hard to lift, so they stop coming to the gym. Alot of the younger girls think its fun to mock the guys and scare them and intimedate them, so that makes them leave too. There was a gym for guys only in my neigborhood but its closed cause hardly anyone went there. DashaApr 14 2021 8:49am Well Dasha, from my perspective it is impressive because i could not lift such a weight and for sure not that long you can do. Anyway i can imagine when i would do the same test of strength with the girls at your school, how i did it in my gym i would be beaten by most ofthe 9 yo girls and i can imagine that there are also some 8 yo girls, i would have no chance against. It seems you could classify me between the 7 and 8 yo girls at your school. So far i recall Aubrey sounds like a normal 12 yo girl. She can lift weights who are much to heavy for me. The same i‘ve experienced in my gym. I was weaker than all the 12 yo girls but also against the 11 yo i had no chance. So i coud beat only one girl with effort, one was equal and one was stronger than me. Of course your brother is not that strong like a grown man. Because of this he‘s way weaker than the girls. I’m also weaker than most girls. Henni Apr 14 2021 10:57am I can imagine if some girls already that strong that they can join the gym they want do that. In my gym the smallest and lightest weight are the men weights. Most men can‘t lift the girl weights. Because of this i can imagine that male beginners are very embarassed when they realize that they are weaker than most girls and then they drop their membership after a short time in the gym. Well i see often girls who makes fun of me or other men because we men are much weaker. I‘m get often the question from a girl how it feels as a weakling. I think again and again it helps that i‘m so submissive. So i obey if a girl talk to me. On the other hand there is the house rule and girls who annoy a man will be dropped from the gym. So of course it can not prevent that a girl makes fun of us weak men but they become not physically aggresive. Henni Apr 14 2021 11:14am Henni yea i guess you cant judge a guys strength compared to a girls, even compared to a elementary school girl, its just not fair on the guy. Something impressive for a guy is normal for a girl my age and someone who cant do it is weak. Its just a totally different standard. I think your right about your strength compared to girls in my school, you said you have alot of trouble to curl 25 and i think almost all the 8yos in my school can do that much easier, and the strongest 7yos could beat you aswell. Stan would not stand a chance, he said hes weaker than almost all of the 2nd graders who work out at his aunts school, and hed definitely be weaker than most 1st graders at mine. At the start of 1st grade the girls just started working out so there not stronger than him yet, but now in april theyve been doing it for long enough that all of them are stronger than him now, id be real worried about him if he was around them cause there really childish and theyd hurt him bad. Stan how will you manage when your not living with your friend and his sisters, your way too weak to live alone with no girls protecting you? And katie are you still reading this? DashaApr 14 2021 11:35am It seems we have lost Katie. Yes, you are right Dasha. A man is much to weak compared to a girl so it‘s not fair. But it’s stunning how much you girls stronger are. When i working out in the gym and i see how easy girls lift a heavy girl dumbbell and then i habe to struggle with the heaviest man dumbbell. Then i look to the girls big muscles and look to mine tiny male muscles. It‘s impressive again and again. My girlfriend loves that i‘m much smallercthan her. Henni Apr 14 2021 10:58pm Dasha - Right, it makes sense that the girls in your school will be a bit ahead of girls in other schools, given that you all have daily access to a well equipped gym and it sounds like you all use it for hours every day. I'm sure that every 3rd grader in your school is stronger than the bottom 90% of men, I've met quite a few third graders who've been working out since they were around 6 (mostly friends of Emma and Kennedy) and all of them are much stronger than that. I don't think it's that uncommon for girls to work out as much as the ones in your school do though, my friend's sister Lilly if your age and she can lift about the same as you, his other sister Kennedy is far stronger than almost all men and she hasn't turned 9 yet. I asked Emma how old she was when she became capable of curling 20lb, and she said she could definitely do it by the time she turned 7, meaning there was at least a brief period in which she was still 6 and already stronger than most men. She's the most incredible girl I know, she might end up being even stronger than Katie when she's her age, I'm lucky she's so fond of me. You and the other girls in your grade are twice as strong as the average man because you've been working out for so long, but even girls who don't work out become stronger than the average man at about 12 or 13 in my experience. Aubrey could already curl 25lbs when Katie had just started training her, and Lilly has a 12-year-old friend who had only been working out for a few months when she easily beat my fairly large friend in armwrestling. When you combine the natural superiority with intense training from a young age, then almost no males could possibly stand a chance against girls when they get to your age. You're definitely correct that there's no way it would be safe for me to live alone, I can't go out by myself so I would have to call someone and wait for them to come over before I could leave the house. Emma is even more worried about me than I am about myself, so she came up with a solution. Her mom is coming back from her business trip soon, and she has a spare room in her house that she rents out to college students sometimes. Emma convinced her mom to rent that room out to me at a much lower cost so I can afford it, and I'll make up for the low rent by "babysitting" Emma. Her mom works very long hours and often leaves on business trips, so it's useful to her to have someone in the house to watch Emma while she's gone. Of course, it'll really be Emma babysitting me, but I can do the cooking and stuff. This is a great arrangement for me, I get cheap accommodation and practically 24/7 protection, and Emma's happy that she'll be able to make sure I'm safe. Dasha, are there any updates about the situation with your dad? I hope Katie and Tim return at some point as well. StanApr 15 2021 6:06am Dasha - What you said about your gym exactly fits what I've seen when I've gone with Emma to her gym. It's also for under 18s, and it's also almost entirely girls. The only males I've seen there are 15 and older, and they're always in the room with the lightest weights. Most of the people in that room are girls aged 6 to 8, and they're all far outperforming the guys. The strongest males there can just about keep up with the youngest girls, but they can't even remotely compete with any of the girls aged 8 or over, and it's considered very impressive if a 16-year-old guy can lift what the 7-year-old girls are lifting. Any untrained teenage male who thinks he can walk into a gym and lift what any girl 9 or over can lift is delusional, athletic girls that age are already stronger than the vast majority of adult men, so obviously teenagers don't stand a chance. It is kind of funny watching a 6 foot tall 17-year-old guy trying with all his might to curl 15lbs while standing next to a 7-year-old girl who is two feet shorter than him but is curling the same weight with ease, I can understand why most of them drop their membership within a couple of weeks. StanApr 15 2021 6:45am Stan yea the girls in my school work out more than normal but there are still alot of girls in other schools who work out that much too so its pretty common to have girls like kennedy who are already way stronger than almost all men before there 9, like the girls in my school are. Kennedy is average for the 3rd grade girls in my school, i asked a couple of them today and they said everyone in that grade can curl at least 25lbs, i dont think that was true when i was that age so there even stronger now than before. Emma sounds pretty amazing from what she can do but she isnt that rare, i think theres 1 or 2 girls like her in every grade in my school, the strongest 1st grader will be like her in a year and shes already stronger than men and she just turned 7. Your right that girls are stronger even if they dont work out, i got a cousin whos 10 and shes like the only girl that age i know who never works out at all, and shes still stronger than my bro. Its great that your gonna be living with emma, shell keep you safe, if i knew you i wouldnt let you live by yourself. Ive seen that exact thing with the old teenaged guy who cant lift or can barely lift something a 7yo girl can lift easily, i dont like to laugh at guys cause there weak but it is still pretty funny. I think all kids gyms are like that now, hardly any guys work out and when 1 tries to start he sees hes weaker than girls 10 years younger and stops. Yea ive been keeping on doing the same thing with my dad, i wrestle him at least 1ce every day and i lift him alot and i make him say im stronger all the time, i havent had a chance do to anything in public tho, maybe today when im back from school. Has kennedy done anything bad to you or to another guy yet? I know so many girls her age who are like her, this week a 3rd grader was rivals with another girl and she beat up his dad when he came to pick her up and now shes suspended. Thats happened before actually, when a girl hates another girl she beats up her dad or brother. I get my dad and my bro to park a long way from the school now. Yea i hope katie comes back too i wanna get her advice on stuff. DashaApr 15 2021 8:49am Dasha - I was very worried about how I'd get by when I had to stop living at my friend's house, there's no way it would be safe for me to be on the street by myself, so I would have basically been caged in my apartment unless a girl I know is available and willing to come over and escort me where I need to go. Most of the girls I know well enough to make that request to live too far away for it to be reasonable, I would basically just be relying on Emma, Lilly, and even Kennedy (though I don't really want to be alone with her either) and some friends of their's that they trust, it would have been very hard to live like that. Emma shared those concerns, she's extremely protective of me now and we've become a bit like siblings, so she couldn't stand the thought of me being in danger. She was delighted when she got her mom to rent me their room, and so was I. Her concern about me is basically for the reasons you talked about, if I was the size and strength of a regular guy my age it wouldn't be as bad, in that case most girls wouldn't be stronger than me unless they were around 9. That's still dangerous and regular males also shouldn't be outside without an escort either, but at least I would have been able to defend myself against 1st and 2nd graders. Being as weak as I am, almost all 2nd grade girls who work out (which is the vast majority of them) could easily beat me up, along with a lot of 1st graders too. I'm sure you're right that literally every girl in your school is stronger than me, including even the 6-year-olds in 1st grade, by now they've been training heavily for at least 6 months. I'm pretty sure that more than half of 7-year-old girls in my city would have no trouble overpowering me, along with almost every girl older than that and quite a few who are even younger. Emma often talks about how viscous girls that age are and how most of them would jump at the chance to humiliate a guy my age, she's seen girls in her class seriously injure adult men for fun, and that's why she's totally unwilling to let me out of her sight when we're on the street. It's great that you do the same with your brother, and soon your dad, I would recommend making the rule even stricter at least with your brother and not allowing him out alone even during the day. Stan Apr 15 2021 2:13pm Stan you should defiantly listen to emma, shes totally right and your real lucky you have her, youd be in real trouble if you didnt. Shes right about what girls that age are like, almost all of them. When they get to my age alot of them have chilled out and most of them dont just go around beating up guys for fun, but all the girls i know who are like 6-8 are really really mean. Alot of the girls that age in my school are stronger than men but almost all of them are way stronger than teenaged guys, and they really love hurting them just for fun, its really bad to see it. I gotta admit i was a bit like that when i was younger, everyone was, but the 1st and 2nd and 3rd graders now are way worse. There all just like kennedy, i see them showing each other pictures of teenaged guys with black eyes and stuff and bragging about how they hurt them, it really makes me angry. Me and my friends used to scare guys and laugh at them and maybe overpower them a bit but most of us didnt really hurt them, but these days the 1-3 grade girls are really hurting them and sometimes giving them broken bones, my bro and his friends are scared of us. My bro and dad more safe from them cause im older than them and me and my friends would beat anyone who hurt him, but the younger girls bros dont have that, and its really common for a 1-3 grade girl to beat up the bro of another girl in her class if they get into a argument about something, if a girl has an older bro its the normal way to get back at her for something she did. The strongest girls that age can beat up the dads aswell, and thats even worse. Theres this one girl in 2rd grade who i think is the strongest in the grade and shes a real bully, she makes other girls do stuff for her and says, if you dont ill beat up your dad, and it works cause shes done it before. Its teenaged guys that are in the most danger tho, cause there weaker than the youngest most childish and meanest girls, and you get in less trouble if you hurt them than a grownup. I think your as weak as a 8th or 9th grade guy so your right that every girl in my school could beat you up, even the youngest 1s, so its way more dangerous for you than normal. Even for henni whos stronger than most guys its pretty dangerous, in normal schools most 4th graders and defiantly most 5th graders could beat him up, so he shouldnt go outside without a girl with him either. Stan you saw what i asked about kennedy, she done anything bad lately? Tim you met any more girls like reba or the 1 at the gym, has katie and aubrey saved you again? And henni have you seen the 10 and 11yo girls who beat you at the gym after, are they mean to you or are they nice? Stan and tim have been beaten up or heard about guys being beaten up by elementary school girls, henni do you know any guys thats happened to aswell? DashaApr 16 2021 11:39am Dasha, actually i was multiple times last beaten up by girls whe i was 19 yo. I was not that strong like a grown man at this time so there were also 13 and even 12 yo girls who wanted to mess with me. Of course i was weaker than these girls so i was beaten up bad sometimes. But meanwhile i‘m outside alone pretty rarely except in the gym. The most girls know that it is not alowed to them to mess with a weak male. But of course many girls make fun of me because i‘m as man so weak. I think again and again they are soft to me because i‘m so submissive. But nevertheless to be honest i‘m scared of many girls. I know what they can do to me if they want. Henni Apr 16 2021 12:37pm Henni yea your right be submissive, its not fair that guys gotta act like that now but its the best thing to do and its what i tell my bro to do, you never know which girls are gonna want to beat you up so its best to just do whatever they say. Your kinda lucky cause when you were in high school that was like 10 years ago, and back then girls didnt start working out in 1st grade like they do now, so it was mostly girls 11 and up who were stronger than you. Its different now, now most 8yo girls have no problem beating a even highschool senior, so its way worse for them. I think your careful so you havent had trouble, but do you know any guys whove been beaten by elementary school girls? I think you probably do, but alot of them dont want to talk about it so maybe you dont know about it. DashaApr 16 2021 12:47pm Henni where i live at least its so common for teenaged guys to get beaten up by elementary school girls, and grownup men aswell tho thats a little less common. Last year my bro brought me to his friends house to show me off to them and i wrestled all of them and won easily, then my bro asked if theyd ever gotten attacked by a girl my age or younger. All of them said no, but then 1 by 1 they admitted they lied and all except 1 of them had been beaten or at least overpowerd at least once by an elementary school girl, they were all too embarassed to admit it at first. I got a couple guy cousins who are like 23 or 24 and they didnt wanna admit it either, but there sis told me the same happened to them. Theres a highschool guy who lives near my school and i saw him getting really badly beaten up by a 3th grade girl twice, i told him id get her to stop and he said he didnt know what i was talkin about and hed never been beaten up by that girl. This happens to so many guys but there all ashamed of it and they dont ever wanna talk about it, so when it happens to a guy they think there the only 1 and it makes them even more ashamed, and that means they dont wanna admit it even more. Guys gotta get over it that girls my age and younger are stronger than them now so they can talk about this stuff, its way more common than most people think. If you got alot of guy friends your age then im sure its happened to some of them in the last couple years, i bet if you press them enough theyll admit it. It sounds like youve known for a long time that young girls are stronger so your careful about it, so thats why it hasnt happened to you for a few years. DashaApr 16 2021 2:25pm Dasha - Kennedy is still trying to start a fight with a high school boy, she almost succeeded yesterday but it was broken up by some other girls. She's known at the local high school now and the boys know not to engage her, so she's going to try a different school, and she's going to try for a senior. She's stronger than the average adult man now, a 9th grader would be much too easy. Her attitude definitely isn't unique, I know most of the other girls in her class are about the same. She leaves me alone because of Emma, but earlier today when it was just me and her in the house a few of her friends came over, and I was so terrified I locked myself in the bathroom and made a bunch of calls, Emma was too far away to come back but Lilly returned so I wouldn't be alone with Kennedy and her friends. What you said about the girls in your school beating up the brothers and fathers of their rivals is terrifying, it really shows how dangerous the world is becoming for males, I'll make sure to show it to Emma and the others and see if it's the same at their school. You're certainly correct about how common it is for teen and young adult males to be beaten by girls your age, and how reluctant most of us are to admit it. I don't talk about the times it's happened to me. Most of my friends have had similar experiences, but they never want to tell anyone about it unless they already know, even some relatively close friends of mine deny that they've ever been overpowered by young girls even if I know it happened. Henni is older than me, so maybe it's less common in his circles, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't know anyone who's had that experience. I'm almost certain that many of the guys he knows have to have been overpowered by a girl your age or younger at some point in the last few years, and I'd be interested to see if he can convince any of them to admit it. StanApr 16 2021 5:37pm Dasha, when i was in school i was beaten up by many girls. When the girls in my class became stronger than the boys they started to beat up us boys and also the older boys. When i was one of the oldest boys at the school i was beaten up by girls in 6th grade who only worked out one year but these girls were already stronger than all boys. If i had a girlfriend with me i was protected by her but if not i was very scared by girls. I can imagine it‘s a worst thing for boys and men beaten up by a girl. They realize that they are much weaker than a girl. I think for me it‘s not uncommon because all my life i worked out together with girls an i‘m as boy but also as man i was always weaker than the girls around me. Luckely the girls had accepted me as weak boy but i know that some girls like to supress boys and show to them töhow inferior they are. I think in normal schools 8 yo girls are really stronger than all boys. For myself i know i can just keep up to the 10 yo girls. In your school i think it would be the same with the 8 yo girls for me. When i would visit you at your school, thinking i can keep up to these girls they would show to me that the 9 yo girls are stronger than me and also some 8 yo could beat me. Well, at my place i have have seen that girls had ambushed men and beaten them up. I think for many men it‘s hard to admit that they were beaten up by a girl and that they were inferior to this girls. I think it‘s more and more accepted that women and girls are the stronger sex. More and more often i hear that a man asks his girlfriend for help because she‘s stronger than him. And i have already heared how some men ask a woman for help because the men thought she‘s stronger anyway. In my sport club we tidying up the gym in a working service sometimes. Than we will be divided into groups who get a task. Often the trainers say that the girls and women should do all these heavy stuff because boys and men are to weak for. When i‘m do something together with a girl during this working service i see that she is superior to me and can do things easy i never could do alone. Then i hear pretty often i should go by side because i‘m a weakling and let do this the girl who‘s not that weak like men. Henni Apr 17 2021 1:11am Stan yea it is terrifying how the 1-3 grade girls in my school act, there way worse than me and my friends were when we were that age. There even more into workin out than we were aswell, so there even stronger, like i couldnt curl 20lb until i was almost 8, but now all of the 2nd graders are curling that, including all the 7yos in 2nd grade. And what they do to guys is terrible, me and my friends were kinda mean to teenaged guys when we were that age but now there just insane, and alot of the do the same to grownup men when they get a chance. I hate seeing what they do to each others bros and dads. They just use them to hurt other girls they dont like, the guys are inocent but they end up really badly hurt just cause there sis or daughter made some other girl angry. These girls think cause guys are so weak its ok to treat them like they dont matter and just use them to get back at girls in there class they dont like. They think beating up a girls bro or dad is like breaking her phone or something, the guys feelings dont matter its just about how it makes the rival girl feel. Its not that they hate guys, they just think there punching bags and its ok to do whatever you want to them for fun. It happens all the time, usually with bros but sometimes dads, 1 girl beats up anothers bro and then the other girl has to get revenge by beating up the 1st girls bro, and it keeps going like that. If someone hurt my bro or my dad cause of something i did id go crazy. My friend in 4th grade once got her dad beat up by a 3rd grader, she came home and saw him in a headlock and she had to say sorry to the other girl or else shed squeeze his neck and knock him out. The new 1st graders come in and see the 2nd and 3rd graders acting like that and they copy them. If the girls that age in other schools are even half as bad as in mine then guys really arent safe anywhere, and i think they are just as bad. Henni youd defiantly lose to all the 9yos in my school so easily and youd maybe be equal to the weakest 8yos, but almost all are stronger. You said you can barely curl 25lb, and all the 8yos now can do that or more, and there are some 7yos who can too. Your maybe equal to me when i was 8, but now the 8yos are stronger. I read what you said about the girls in your gym and im surprised only 1 of the 10yos could lift more than you, all the 10yos i know even in normal schools can lift alot more than that, maybe the 3 you went against were new to lifting. Did you ask any of the guys you know if theyd been overpowered by elementary school girls aswell? DashaApr 17 2021 6:21am Henni Yea now im certain those 10yo girls most of only started lifting a few months before that, defiantly less than 1 year. I was at my gym today, not the gym at my school the normal gym, and i had a look at what everyone was lifting, and all the 9yos and older were lifting 25 easily or more than that. If you can only lift 25 then there all stronger than you. i think a 10yo girl who works out and cant lift more than 25 is really weak, she must of just started lifting cause even if she started when she was 9 she should lift more than that. Your pretty strong for a guy but your still not that much above average if its hard for you to even curl 25, theres no way your equal to a 10yo girl whos been training since she was 6 or 7, a girl like that is stronger than almost all men. Girls overtake even grownup men so young now, there are so many of them who can easily beat 1 up, and so many of them like doing it, that im sure a high % of guys your age have had trouble with them. I bet when you ask the guys you know if theyve been beaten by a girl my age or younger theyll probably say no at first, but i bet you can make them admit it, im 100% sure its happened to at least a few of the guys you know who are your age. DashaApr 17 2021 8:53am Dasha - It's also my experience that athletic girls can normally curl much more than 25lbs by the time they're 10. Lilly is average for her age and she could curl more than 35lbs when she was 10, and Kennedy can do that now and she hasn't even turned 9 yet, though she's above average. I've also seen Lilly's 10-year-old friend, (the one who armwrestled me way back then) curling 30, and she only started when she was 9. I asked Lilly earlier and she said all of the 10-year-olds in her gymnastics club can curl more than 25lbs, even the weakest girl can curl 30. The only girl who can't only joined the club in December, and even she can curl 25lbs. If Henni struggles to curl 25lbs, I'm also surprised that he beat one of the 10-year-olds in his gym and tied with another, if they'd been training for more than a year they should have beaten him very easily, so I think it's quite likely they were new to it as well. A man would have to be extremely strong to be able to match a 10-year-old girl who has been training since the 1st or 2nd grade, so it's unrealistic to expect to be able to. Apparently most girls like that can curl at least 35lbs, which is almost twice the 18lbs weight that the average man can curl. Even so, even if the girls at the gym had only been working out for less than 6 months, it's still impressive that Henni could beat one of them, girls that age can build up muscle very quickly and even the ones who don't work out aren't far behind the average man. Henni mentioned that the 6th graders in his school who had only been working out for a year were already stronger than even the 18-year-old guys in high school, and that really shows how quickly girls that age can pack on muscle, Aubrey's progress is evidence of that as well. Most men would have no chance against a 10-year-old girl even if she'd only been training for 6 months, so Henni should be proud of himself that he could keep up with them. Most of the males my age I know have had incidents where they were overpowered by girls your age or younger, and while they're reluctant to talk about it they'll still admit it if you say it's happened to you as well and you won't judge them for it. I'm also curious to see what the guys Henni knows will say when he asks them, it might be a little less common in his age group, or maybe they'll just be even more reluctant to admit it. Also, Henni - what was the environment like in the last couple of years of high school for you, when the 6th grade girls could beat up even the oldest high school boys? Were they aggressive like younger girls are now, was it common for the 11 and 12-year-olds to bully the guys your age? StanApr 17 2021 6:35pm It’s very hard for me to curl 30 lb. I can curl it one maybe two times and also not very clean. 25 lb i can curl multiple times, 6-7 times, but of course this weight is also pretty heavy. Normaly i use 22.5 lb for working out i can curl 10 up to 12 times. When i do my trainings routine in the arm exercise i do the following. I warmup with 15 lb x 10-12. Then in the first work set i use 20 lb also 10-12 reps. 22.5 lb for 10 reps and in the last set 25 lb for 6 reps. I know that‘s no challange for a girl but i‘m a man so i‘m not that strong. Yesterday i was in the gym again i have seen 2 of the 10 yo girl i had ths contest with. The one who was stronger than me and the other one i could beat wit a little head start. I asked them and it seams Stan is right. The stronger girl of them workout since some years and the other ones since less than one month. Well i asked the girl i had beaten for her progress and she said how much she can lift in some single exercises. Well it more than i can do. We had a short arm wrestling match and she had no problem to beat me. Only when i was allowed to use both my arms i can stop her but i can‘t beat her anymore. The girls said, men are normaly weaker than 9 or even 8 yo girls. For me it was a little embarassing in one way but on the other hand it‘s no special experience that i‘m weaker than girls. Nevertheless i can imagine that many men have difficulties to admit that they were beaten up by a girl because the were to weak and helpless to the girl. But some told me, or maybe i should say they whispered that they were beaten up by a girl very badly. Some said it was so humiliating when they realized that the girl was so much stronger that they had absolutely no chance. It seems some girls do what they had seen in tv in any fights in a movie. They pin the man down to the floor and play with his arm and hit him with his own hand. He can’t either stop the girl by use all his strength because if the girl want to do this, his power is like nothing compared to hers. She can simply move the parts of his body against his will. He will have a lot injuries after that but he couldn’t became free without help. I think on this point i‘m really happy that my girlfriend mostly protects me. The girls in the gym doesn’t attack a guy because they know what happened but nevertheless they bullies men by talk to them like little boys or call them weakling. I‘m used to it that a girl show off that she’s much stronger than me. I have to admit i even admire how much stronger the girl is. I think this combination make the girl don’t attack me. She can see i accept that i‘m as man much weaker and she is the stronger one. Dasha i think because the girls at you school workout much more and because of that it will be normal that i can‘t compare to most of them. In the top of this post i gave stats of mine, maybe you can compare it when girls at your school do this. I think when i would visit Stan at his friends place i would also be intimediated by the strength of the girls he mentioned because all of them are stronger than me. I would be scared by Kennedy because if she still look for a man to beat up him, she could do it with me because she‘s stronger than me. Henni Apr 18 2021 12:47am Henni yea thats what i thought, your strong for a guy but any 10yo girl whos been working out for years is gonna be alot stronger, the only guys who could match her are guys who are really really into lifting and have been doing it for a long time. Its normal that shes better than you now that shes been working out for another month aswell, she probably wasnt that much weaker than you even before she started working out and after a couple of months shell be stronger, girls that age are just like that. My 10yo cousin doesnt lift at all and shes still stronger than my 16yo bro, if she starts working out shell be stronger than most grownup men in like a month and shell be stronger than you in maybe 3 or 4 months. There right that girls who work out are stronger than guys at 8, i used to think most girls didnt get there until 9 but now i know that most guys cant even do 1 curl with 20lb i know its actually alot younger than that. If you can kinda curl 30 a bit then your a bit stronger than i thought and your very very strong for a guy, my dad cant lift that much and i only know 1 guy who can. I still know all the 3rd graders at my school can curl 30 pretty easily tho. The 2nd graders maybe half of them can curl that much and half cant. Most 2nd graders now just turned 8 or will turn 8 soon, so i think your equal to a girl in my school who just turned 8, but a few months after that she will become stronger. When i turned 8 i dont think i could curl 30 and most of my grade couldnt, but over the last 2 or 3 years the younger girls have been workin out even more than i did, so they can do things my grade couldnt when we were that age. Theres at least 1 7yo in 1st grade who can lift more than you, its crazy, i dont think any of my grade could do that when we were 1st grade. But i think that 1-3 grade girls are working out even more than they used to isnt just in my school, its happening everywhere. Im stronger than girls my age were 5 years ago and 5 years from now girls my age will be even stronger, it just keeps going like that. I think alot of the 1st graders in my school will be close to katies level when there her age but most of them wont be as mature as her, so if i was a guy id be really scared. DashaApr 18 2021 8:55am Henni how you said the girls overpower the guys is what i did when i was 7 and 8. I was kinda mean back then and i left my bro alone but i loved to pin other teenaged guys, i pinned them down and grabbed there 2 arms and hit them in the face with there hands and said to them, why are you hitting yourself? Me and the other girls thought it was really funny to make some 15yo beg to let him go, i feel bad about it now. I never really hurt any of them bad on purpose, i didnt want to injure anyone. The girls that age in my school now are different, they hurt guys on purpose really bad, usually for no reason just cause its fun for them. There actually worse than kennedy cause at least she wants to make the guy start the fight with her, in my school they just attack guys for no reason. The guys never get help or tell anyone cause there too humiliated so the girls almost always get away with it, thats why guys gotta accept that really young girls are stronger than them now or else this will keep happening, and its gonna get worse when these girls get older and it gets easier for them to hurt grownup men. The guys who whispered to you that they got beat up bad by young girls, how old are they and how old were the girls? DashaApr 18 2021 9:25am I'm very impressed by Henni's ability as well, being able to curl 30lbs even once is extremely unusual for a man. The study I read showed that less than 5% of men can do that. A couple of days ago I posted a quick survey on my college's forum asking the males how much they could curl, and of course the vast majority of the respondents didn't know as they've never tried lifting weights in their lives, so obviously none of them would be able to. Of the 15 guys who did know how much they could curl, none of them could do 30lbs, the most was 25, and this was self-reported so he might be exaggerating. Henni is in the top tier of men for strength, and that's why he's able to keep up with 10-year-old girls who have started working out recently. Obviously it only takes a couple of months for them to exceed him, and if they started working out at the age of 6 or 7 they've already exceeded him years ago, but that's to be expected, only the top 1% of males could match the strength of a girl like that. It shouldn't be embarrassing that you're weaker than girls that age, it's almost impossible not to be. I've also had to revise my estimation of how old athletic girls tend to be when they exceed the strength of the average man, learning how little most men can lift and learning more about how far girls can come at an early age has made me realize just how big the difference is, and how quickly girls can overtake us if they start training early. Before I was basing my estimation of how strong the average man is just by what men who work out are capable of lifting, but of course that's a tiny minority of the male population, and it turns out the new breed of elementary school girl is even stronger than I'd previously thought. One of the girls in my aunt's class told me on the field trip that I was actually pretty strong for a male my weight, at the time I thought she was just trying to make me feel better but now i know it's actually true. I'm about the weight of the average 14-year-old boy so I used to think my strength was similar and about the same as my younger brother, but I discovered yesterday that I'm actually significantly stronger than him and his friends, maybe at the level of the average 16-year-old. All but one of the 2nd graders in my aunt's class who worked out were stronger than me, meaning that girls can exceed even some high school boys at the age of 7 if they start training in 1st grade. What Dasha said about the new girls in the first couple years of elementary school working out even more and consequently being even stronger than girls that age were a few years ago was backed up by my friend's sisters, so it seems like this trend will continue and in the future girls will exceed men's strength at an even younger age. What Dasha said about how the girls in her school treat males should terrify all of us, and what I've seen of my aunt's school suggests it's common everywhere. The idea of a whole generation of girls with Katie's strength and an attitude even worse than Kennedy's is horrifying, all men would be constantly living in fear, a girl like Katie is stronger than 2 or 3 average men, and if they go around beating up guys for fun then nowhere will be safe. We all better hope they get more mature as they age, and we should make sure we have girls of our own who can protect us. Dasha, any updates about your dad? Henni, did the guys give you any details about how they were beaten up, such as the ages and the methods they used? How old are the youngest girls in your gym, and how much do you see them lifting? StanApr 18 2021 12:05pm Yea i think henni is really strong for a guy. The strongest guy ive ever seen in my gym could curl 20, but most can only curl 15 or 10 or less. There all under 18 so i guess there still weaker than grownups, but there also in a gym so there stronger than other boys there age. I asked my cousin whos 24 and started going to a gym recently how much the guys in his gym lift and he said hes never seen anyone curl more than 27.5, and that guys been working out alot for a long time. I always gotta remember that i cant judge a guys strength like id judge a girl my age. Its crazy how different the standard is, like for a man henni is really strong but if he was a girl my age hed be 1 of the weakest i know, even girls who only work out 1ce a week are stronger than that. A girl in my school who can lift 30 is impressive if shes in 1st or 2nd grade, but a guy who can lift 30 is always impressive even if hes a grownup and he works out. And guys who dont work out are unbeleivably weak, especally teenaged guys, i dont know how they live like that. Alot of the time a highschool boy comes to my gym for the 1st time and he struggles to even curl 10lb, girls my age whove never lifted at all can lift more than that. Stan i saw before you can bench 50lb and thats about what my bro can bench and hes pretty strong for a 16yo boy, so i think thats your level too, and the 1st graders in my school are stronger than him. Yea your right to be scared of these new girls, i really think most of them will be close to katie, and if they stay behaving like they are now even the strongest grownup men will have no chance, theyll be able to do whatever they want and alot of guys will get hurt. I got no real updates for my dad, just more of the same, ive been wrestling him at least 1ce a day and i carry him around constantly and i make him say im stronger. I havent really been out in public with him for a while, im pretty sure hes avoiding doing that, so thats what i gotta do next, i need to make it normal that i overpower him in public. Henni i also wanna know what stan asked about the guys who admitted they got beat up and the girls in your gym. DashaApr 19 2021 5:47am Thank you Dasha and Stan. I think i can imagine how it feels like a girl to be stronger than many guys. Sometimes when i can compare with an untrained man i see how weak he is. Nevertheless i know also men who workout more than me and some are even stronger than me. One for example is Tim. But when i look to my gym all men are clear weaker than girls. Often it‘s also visible because many girls have bigger muscles than men. I remember Katie was also bigger tham Tim or me and most likely Aubrey is also biggerin meanwhile. When i look at the girls in my gym, next to many of them i have really small muscle. One of the guys i talked with about the experience to beaten up by a girl stated, he could not believe that a girl can be stronger than a man. Well one day he was beaten up by a 13 yo girl very badly. Since then he knows that men have no chance physically against a girl. No one want to tell me much details. I can only tell my own experiences who are years ago. But i was also beaten up by 13 yo girl when i was 19. Until today i know that each girl that age is stronger than all men and since some weeks agoi know i dont even have a chance against 10 yo girls. Henni Apr 19 2021 1:05pm The difference in the standards of men and girls is definitely amazing. My friend's sister Lilly is completely average for an athletic girl her age, and she's stronger than every single male I know. I heard her talking to her friend about another girl who joined their club recently, saying she was very weak and needs to bulk up a lot since she can "only" curl 25lbs at the age of 10, as if that was a tiny amount. At one point she said she was "almost as weak as a guy", and that one of her brother's friends (who's 21) could nearly lift that much, just to drive home the point about how below average this girl is for her age. The fact that I seem to be at the level of the average untrained 15 or 16-year-old boy really changes my perspective, obviously I'm still very weak for my age but I thought I was much weaker in comparison to other males. If those 2nd grade girls in my aunt's school could beat me then they could beat almost all guys in middle school, and a significant number of high school juniors and sophmores as well, and the girls in Dasha's school can do that by the end of 1st grade. I'm glad I'm not still in school right now, it was hard enough for me with the bullying from young girls, but in a few years it'll be torturous for schoolboys of all ages, they'll stand no chance against any of the girls in their schools, even the youngest. It looks like the situation in my aunt's school will become the norm in almost all schools. Dasha - it seems like what you're doing with your dad is working, I'm guessing it's becoming more and more normal for him. The next step is definitely to do it in public, it will be embarrassing for him at first but if you do it enough that will fade, I think he's at the point where that's appropriate and it's unlikely to backfire. Have you showed him any other strong girls as well? Henni - almost no male would have any chance against a 10-year-old girl who has been training for over a year, so you shouldn't feel bad about it. I think that, for girls at least, muscle size isn't usually a good indicator of strength, since girls have denser muscles I've seen lots of young girls who can lift much more than men with larger arms. Even so, most of the girls I know do have muscles much bigger than mine, Emma is especially impressive as they're very prominent on her small frame, her biceps look like they're flexed even when they're relaxed, and when they're flexed they're larger than any male I know. Aubrey was stronger than the average man before she even started training, and probably at about your level, so after a couple of weeks she far exceeded you. She's 12 and she's a girl, so that's inevitable. Are the 10-year-olds in your gym the youngest girls there? If the gym has male members who need lighter weights then it could accommodate girls a lot younger than 10, they could lift the guy weights. StanApr 19 2021 2:07pm Stan, i think the muscle size is never the only indicator for strength. Tim has a little smaller muscles than me but nevertheless he‘s stronger than me. Girl muscles have a higher density because of this they are stronger but i think at one point the muscle will become bigger related to the power it have. Katie wrote that she has an 14.5“ biceps and if i remember it right also Aubrey has over 13“. That‘s much bigger than most men. The 10 and 11 yo girls have almost the same size bicep than me, maybe a little bigger. But most 12 yo girls are bigger than me. Last time in the gym i was next to a 15 yo girl who was pretty muscular. I looked like a little boy with my tiny muscles. The 9 yo and younger girls have a separate workout day. But i know that some of them use the same weights i can use. Henni Apr 20 2021 3:46am Henni - The increased density of girls' muscles mean that a girl is always stronger than a guy with the same bicep size, and girls are usually stronger even than guys with significantly larger biceps. Kennedy's arms are much thinner than my fairly fit 21-year-old friend's, but she has no problem beating him in armwrestling. Obviously, if a girl is stronger than a man with much larger arms, then by the time the girl's muscles grow to be equal or bigger than the man's, she will be several times stronger than him. By the time a girl's muscles are bigger than your's, she's already been much stronger than you for years. Katie can curl 75lbs, she's literally 4 times stronger than the average man, and more than twice as strong as above average men like you ant Tim. The small number of males who do have 14.5 inch arms are still much weaker than her, that's how girls' muscles work. If you mostly use 22.5lbs dumbbells then I would expect most of the 8 and 9-year-old girls to use the same ones for reps, and quite a few of the 7-year-olds can probably curl it at least once. You're lucky they have a separate workout day, the other girls in your gym know not to do anything other than mock you, but the younger and more immature girls might take it too far and you might end up getting hurt. Since I left high school, almost all of the girls who have tried to hurt me have been 9 or under, girls Lilly and Dasha's age tend to leave me alone. StanApr 20 2021 4:50am I think the increased density and tensile strength of young girls' muscles are a big part of the reason so many males are so shocked when they learn that they're weaker than the young girls. If a guy looks at an 8-year-old girl and assumes she is of similar strength to a boy the same size and with arms of the same diameter, he would naturally assume he's stronger than her. The fact that a girl so much smaller and lighter than him, and with arms so much thinner, is still stronger than him is very shocking for guys who don't know better. If you get a good look at her biceps you can see how well-defined they are, but if she's wearing long sleeves they often don't look particularly big, so it's hard to believe they could be so powerful. If you want proof of what me and Dasha have been saying, go to your gym on the day that the girls 9 and under are working out, you'll see them using the same weights that you use, even some of the girls as young as 7. If you do that, make sure to bring another girl with you for protection, that kind of environment isn't safe for a guy. StanApr 20 2021 5:27am Yea stan thats right, muscle size doesnt matter much if its a girl vs a guy. Arm size doesnt matter hardly at all, most guys got almost no muscle and there arm is just fat, so a girl whos arms are way thinner but are all muscle is always gonna be alot stronger. Even a guy who does have muscle, the muscle is weaker than a girls muscle, so even a guy who does work out a bit and has some muscle is still gonna be alot weaker than a girl with smaller but stronger muscle. My arms thinner than my dads when its relaxed and when i flex its only a bit bigger than his flex, but im more than 2x stronger than him, and there are alot of girls in my school who are in 2nd grade and 1 girl in 1st grade who can lift more than him and they all have much thinner arms. So if a girl of any age has muscles the same size as any guy that means shes way way stonger than him, often 2x stronger. Ive seen alot of guys confused about that too, when i beat my bros friends when i was 9 i saw them looking at there arms and looking at mine and theres were bigger, so they didnt get how i could beat them so easy. When i took off my hoodie and they saw my biceps they kinda understood, but my arm was still smaller than theres. But girl muscles are just so much harder than guys, you can see by how much better they look with the peak and definition and how much bigger there flexed arm is than there relaxed arm. Yea henni if you go to your gym when the younger girls are there youll see they have smaller muscles than you but if theyve been training for a year or more theyll be lifting the same weights you do or more, if you challenge them youll probably lose to most of the 8yos whove been training for a while and you might lose or at least tie to a couple of the 7yos aswell, the 1s whove been working out since kindergarten or 1st grade anyway. All these girls will be alot smaller than you and your arm will be alot thicker, but there muscles are girl muscles so there way better, just a small amount of girl muscle beats alot of guy muscle. DashaApr 20 2021 8:56am The kind of muscle that girls grow and the kind of muscle that guys grow almost shouldn't be classified as the same substance, girl's muscles are just so much more powerful, pound-for-pound. I think that when males work out their biceps grow larger, but they remain flabby and soft, whereas girls' biceps grow hard and dense before they increase in visible size. An athletic young girl can be stronger than a man with arms twice the diameter of her's. Despite this, most girls who work out have muscles bigger than the average man at least by the time they're 10, and with the increased density that means that men can't compete at all. I'm sure the average man would lose to all the 8-year-olds in Henni's gym and many of the 7-year-olds as well, but remember that Henni is much stronger than the average man, so he would do better if he challenged them. He might be able to beat some of the 8-year-olds, if a lot of them are new to the gym he might even be able to beat as many as half of them, and he would beat most of the girls who have been working out for less than a year. Still, an 8-year-old girl who has been training hard since the beginning of 1st grade would be able to beat even a strong guy like Henni, even though her arm would probably be smaller. If Henni does go to his gym on the day the younger girls are working out he should definitely bring a girl or two of his own with him, there's a chance he'll need their protection, and he should make sure to be deferential toward the younger girls as it would be a bad idea to make any of them angry with him. Dasha, any updates on your dad, have you introduced him to the 1st grader you talked about earlier, and have you overpowered him in public yet? Henni, would you be willing to go to the gym on the day the younger girls are working out, or would that be too intimidating? I wouldn't go there myself, even with Emma, girls that age are too immature and violent, and every single one of them would be able to overpower a guy my size. StanApr 20 2021 1:28pm Yes Dasha, that’s what i say. I don’t mean girls need bigger muscles to be stronger but several girls have bigger muscles. I think this is also obvious with Katie. She has 14.5†biceps and she can lift 75lb if i remember it right. I have 12†biceps and i can lift hardly 30lb. She’s more as twice as strong as me. In her case it is visible because of her bigger muscles. I will meet today a friend and his 8 yo sister works out since almost 2 years. he told me she’s already pretty strong and she will love to show it to me. Henni Apr 21 2021 4:46am Ok I see what you mean, and you're right that most athletic girls have bigger muscles than most men by the time they're 10, at which point they've already been stronger than most men for at least a couple of years. I can't get over how amazing Katie is, 75lbs is a lot more than almost all men can lift in a two-handed barbell curl, she has much more strength in one of her arms than most men have in both. For me, I can't even do a barbell curl with half that weight, so one of her arms is more than twice as strong as both of mine! There are hardly any men in the whole world who can lift that much, and a man would need much larger biceps to be capable of doing it, since male muscle is so much weaker than girl muscle pound-for-pound. If Dasha is right that girls as strong as her will be common when the current 6 and 7-year-old girls get to her age then it will be very scary, if even a few of them want to misuse their power they could do some real damage. An 8-year-old girl who has been working out for 2 years will probably be as strong or stronger than even an above average guy like you, possibly by a wide margin, so be careful around her. Make sure not to make her angry. StanApr 21 2021 5:55am What stan said about girl muscle is totally right, our muscles get hard and dense as there growing bigger but guys muscle gets bigger but stays soft, so even if a guy has more inches to his arm a girl has more actual muscle packed in there. So when a girl gets muscles the same size as a guy you know 100% that shes way way waaaay stronger, and all the 10yo girls in my school already have bigger muscles than most guys so you know what that means. Girl muscle is just a totally different thing to guy muscle, like with the 10yo at your gym henni, just a couple months of building girl muscle beats all the guy muscle youve been training for years. Yea katies so amazing i only know 1 or 2 girls her age as strong as her, most girls who work out dont get that strong until the start of highschool. But the girls now in 1st and 2nd grade in my school are insane, like i thought me and my friends were strong when we were that age but these girls work out even more than we did and there alot stronger, i was in my school gym today and i saw 7yos who are still in 1st grade curling 20lb, i dont think any girls in my class could do that when they were 1st grade. I really think that alot of them will be able to do 75lb like katie can when there 12, and the best 1st grader might be even stronger. Stan have you moved to emmas house yet? Yea henni be careful when you meet the 8yo sister, i wouldnt let my bro meet any 8yo girl without me there, make sure your never alone with her cause she might be mean. If her bros with you thats a bit better, but you should really bring a girl. Tell us what happens with her. And are you gonna go to your gym when the girls under 10 are there? i wanna know if there like the girls in my school aswell. DashaApr 21 2021 8:47am henni did you meet your friends sister yet? Did she show you what girl muscle means? What about the thing about your gym? DashaApr 22 2021 8:05am Henni and stan are you guys still here? Also katie and tim are you gonna come back? DashaApr 22 2021 2:19pm Hey Dasha, i was at my friends house and i met his sister. She is doing weight lifting since almost 2 years. How you already mentioned, girls who workout serious for a longer time become stronger than men. So i experienced it first time how a 8 yo girl has beaten me and i was helpless most of the time because she was simply stronger than me. First we did only a little arm wrestling but it became more and more serious. At the end she wrestled me down and pinned me on the floor. Her brother wanted help me but also together it was very hard to keep her away. She threated her brother if he don‘t let her do with me what she want she will beat him up later. He was scared by her and so he kept away from us. She would show what she can do to a guy and so she beated me up. I could do nothing i had no chance against her. Today i was sore the whole day. It‘s still painfull also because i was beaten up by such young girl. Henni Apr 22 2021 4:16pm Henni wow that sounds really bad, i was worried something like that happened cause you werent posting, i thought maybe you were in the hospital, your kinda lucky you arent. I thought that was gonna happen cause thats what most girls that age are like now. Almost all girls whove been working out since they were 6 are gonna be stronger than an average guy and most are stronger than even guys like you when there 8, and almost all of the girls that age i know are really mean and violent against weak older guys. I dont think its just the girls at my school that are like that, i think its everywhere. Girls when there that age are imature and most of them love showing older guys there stronger and beating them up. I told you you shouldve brought a girl with you, just another guy like her bro isnt enough when your dealing with an 8yo girl who works out. Theres no way id ever let my brother meet any 8yo girl without me or another girl i trust there, its just too dangerous. It shouldnt be extra painful for you cause you were beaten up by such a young girl, shes been building girl muscle for years and girl muscle is just better than guy muscle, its not your fault and theres nothing you can do about it. I guess its shocking for you cause a couple months ago you thought you were like a 13yo girl but now you know your weaker than 8yo girls if they work out, but now you know what girl muscle is like. I know you might be angry at your friend cause he didnt help you, but you cant blame him for that, hes gotta follow his sisters orders or hell get really badly hurt, if your a guy and your with a girl like that you gotta be submisive and do what she says for your own good. Thats what i tell my bro aswell, i tell him all the time dont try to use your weak guy muscle against girl muscle no matter how young the girl is, if your alone just do what she says, even if shes small and doesnt look like shes got much muscle, cause just a little bit of girl muscle will beat your guy muscle. How bad did she beat you up, what did she do and did she say mean stuff to you aswell? DashaApr 22 2021 5:03pm Yes Dasha, i know that i‘m weaker than girls because i‘m just a man. I have already fought for fun with girls and so i saw it again and again that i‘m only a little bit stronger than a girl or also often the girl was a little stronger until she was 13 or 14. Then girls developed their physical power so much that i’m as man can’t keep up anymore to this girls. But most girls this age are reasonable and they know that men are much weaker. Well some years later i realized that girls surpass me already when they are 10 and now, a short time later an 8 yo one overpowered me and has beaten me up. Now i know what Stan mean when he is even scared by such young girls. So i think i wont go into the gym when all the girls younger than 10 working out. I’m also scared by this girls now. The name of my friend’s sister is Julia. By her opinion men are inferior weaklings and have to obey to all girls. She treated me in that way like i’m only a weak man. She wanted to see how much stronger she is than me and so she wanted to arm wrestle me again and again and she also would wrestle me but i declined because we already knew that she was clear stronger than me. She bothered me again and again by hold me down, took things away from me against my will. At one point i said to her she have to stop treat me that way. Obviously it was not that submissive how she’s expecting it from men. She threw me to the floor and pinned me and yelled at me that i have to obey to a girl like her. She called me a weakling and to prove this she grabbed my wrists and use my hands to hitting my face. When her brother wanted to help me she hold us both down at the same time so he couldn’t prevent her for beating me but now she could only hold one of my arms and i tried to came free. But she yelled to her brother that she will beat him up later if he don’t promptly stop helping me. I could see that he was really scared of her an he backed away. Luckely her dad entered the room. Of course he could also not help me but he yelled to her he will tell it her mother what she’s doing to us. Then she let me go but commands her dad to kick me out. Her dad brought me to the door while i heard that she beats up her brother because he cried. Her dad called her mum on the way to ask her to come home because Julia is going crazy and beat up all the men there. I have seen he was also scared. I think he had feared that Julia will beat up him as well after she’s done with her brother. It was so humiliating for us men. We were all terrorized by one girl and all of us were scared by her. Henni Apr 23 2021 3:37am I know a ton of girls like julia, all the girls in 1 and 2 and 3rd grade are just like her. So your right to be scared, remember that shes normal for a girl her age, most 8yo girls are like her. I really hate girls like her, its not fair that she treats guys that way, she has girl muscle and theres no way for guys to get that so they just cant compete with her and its not fair to fight them. Its not impressive for a girl to beat up a guy cause girl muscle will always beat guy muscle so of course she can do it. Also its not right for a girl to beat up a guy just cause shes stronger and she can, us girls should protect our guys and not hurt them, its not right that whovevers stronger gets to be in charge. But if your with a girl like that you just gotta do whatever she says so you can stay safe. You should of wrestled her when she said to and given her your stuff and you definitely shouldnt of told her off, its a really bad idea for a guy to make a girl that age angry. Her bro was right to do what she said, she still beat him up but shed probably of beaten him up way worse if he disobeyed her. And her dad was right to just call her mom instead of trying to help himself and getting hurt also, i hope she doesnt beat him up too bad. I feel real sorry for her bro and dad, julia probably orders them around when her mom isnt home and it must suck for them. I know its hard but when your with a girl like her you just gotta be totally submisive or youll get hurt. But again you shouldnt of gone to meet her without bringing a girl with you to protect you, this is why no guys should ever go out without a girl with them, there are millions of girls like julia and kennedy just walkin around all the time. And especally if you know your gonna meet an 8yo girl who works out, its crazy to go there without a girl with you. I had a fight with my bro about this yesterday, ill tell about it later. Anyway, like i say you shouldnt be humiliated to be beaten up, if shes 8 and shes been training since 6 of course shes gonna be stronger than even strong guys like you, 2 years of training girl muscle is enough to beat almost all guys, so theres no shame in it, she should be ashamed for being so mean. If you wanted you could go to your gym when they younger girls are there if you bring 1 or 2 friends who are girls with you, theyll leave you alone then, but i get it if your too scared after what julia did to you. Did you talk to julias bro after to make sure hes ok? Did she beat up her bro and dad really bad after you left or did her mom stop her? DashaApr 23 2021 11:23am So i said id tell about the thing that happened with my bro yesterday. i was home from school and my bro said his friend was gonna pick him up and they were gonna go to his house and play some games or whatever. I asked if there will be any girls at his friends house, and my bro said he has a sister but its ok since shes only 6. I told my bro that hes not allowed to go if theres a girl there, its too dangerous for him. Id of gone with him but i couldnt cause i had a zoom thing about a school project. My bro got kinda angry, he said it was ridicilous that im not letting him go just cause theres a 6yo girl there, he said if she was 8 hed understand but theres no way shes dangerous if shes only 6 and still in kindergarten. I said the all the 6yo girls in my school are stronger than him already so its possible she is aswell, and im not gonna let him take the risk. He got mad and i ended up carrying him up to his room and locking him in there so he couldnt leave, then when his friend came to pick him up i said he was feeling sick and couldnt go. Hes been sulking today and i feel kinda bad, but i still think im right. Maybe the 6yo isnt stronger or shes only a bit stronger, but i really dont want to take the risk of anything bad happening, cause i know there are girls that young who could really hurt him, and you should never under estimate girl muscle. Especally after reading what happened to henni i really hate thinking that might happen to my bro, hes not as strong as a grownup man. Henni what do you think? Stan are you still here, what do you think too? And henni, im kinda worried about your friend and his dad now, ive seen girls younger than julie send grownup men to the hospital, did you make sure there both ok? After you left it was just them 3 and it sounds like shed really gone crazy and she could definitely beat them both at the same time, did she beat them up really bad? DashaApr 23 2021 7:10pm Hello Dasha, i have to apologize that i don’t have respond but i was really embarrassed to lost against a 8 yo girl. I think it was really good that you forbid your bro go with his friend to the place who this girl is. I can imagine she’s stronger than him or maybe even both of the. Until two days ago i thought an 8 yo girl can not be stronger than me or maybe i’m a little stronger but i realized that this girl had 3 guys under control. I had called my friend and he told me she hurts him very badly. He needed a doctor. He told me after she has beaten him down she went to her dad and started to hit him. He heard his dad yelling desperately. At the same time luckily his mum came back home. She prevented the daughter beating up her dad. Well i think i don’t dare go to the gym when the young girls there. My friend told me his sister also working out in the group and she’s one of the strongest of the 8 yo girls but she’s not the strongest. And the 9 yo girls are even stronger. So if i remember how easy his sister has overpowered me i’m really scared by the 9 yo girls. I hope when they are 10 yo they are more reasonable because then they can workout in the big group also next to the weak men. Henni Apr 24 2021 6:03pm Sorry I was gone, I was busy moving my stuff into Emma's mom's house. I get a very cheap room and the constant protection of living with Emma, so I'm very happy with the arrangement, and Emma's delighted as well, she was worried about what would happen to me if I lived alone. Her mom is out of the house most of every day, so it's usually just me and Emma, and I get a huge discount on my rent for "babysitting" her, though really it's more like she's babysitting me. Anyway, it looks like I missed a lot. It's terrible what happened to Henni, though I'm not surprised, Kennedy would have been capable of beating him up just as easily and she would have done the exact same thing if no other girls had been around to stop her, and from what Dasha and others have said that seems to be the normal attitude and level of strength for an 8-year-old girl these days. It was definitely unwise to disobey her, especially after she had proved how much stronger she was, when a guy is in that situation the only option is to do what she says and hope she doesn't hurt you, it may be degrading but it's better to be degraded than beat up. As Dasha said, you also shouldn't have put yourself in that situation, it's a good example of why it isn't safe for a man to be unescorted. Emma would have had a heart attack if she found out I was going to meet an 8-year-old girl and the only other person present would be another guy, and she'd be right. It's actually a good thing that you're scared of girls that age now, that fear is entirely rational. As bad as the incident with Julia was for you, it could have been a lot worse, and now that you have a healthy fear of girls like her you're less likely to put yourself in a similar situation. Dasha, you 100% did the right thing with your brother, Emma would have done the same with me. If his friend's sister hadn't started 1st grade yet then it's very possible she won't exceed him in strength until next year, but it's definitely possible she has already, I know Emma was already stronger than that before she started 1st grade. If she is stronger then she would probably have hurt him, given how immature girls that age are, so if there's even a 10% chance that she is then it's not worth the risk at all. Your brother will get over it, I bet he'll admit you were right and apologize. What about your dad, any updates there? Henni, are you okay now, have you recovered from the beating? What about Julia's brother and dad, are they okay? StanApr 24 2021 6:06pm Henni - I wrote my last comment before I saw your reply. I know it's hard not to be embarrassed if you're a man that got beat up by a girl that young, but it really isn't warranted. You're still very strong for a male, and she could have beaten up at least 95% of us. The fact that girls that age are significantly stronger than most men is just the way things are now and there shouldn't be any shame in that. As you said, she's above average for her age but it's not uncommon for girls to be even stronger than her. I understand how it's hard to not be embarrassed though, males grow up with the incorrect notion that they're stronger than females and especially than young girls, and it's hard to put that aside even when you know it's not true, I've known I'm weaker than girls much younger than me all my life and I still get a little embarrassed about it. I'm very sorry for Julia's father and brother, when her mom isn't home they're completely at her mercy, and it sounds like she doesn't treat them well. I imagine it would be like if me and my friend Quint lived with Kennedy, with no other girls around to stop her from hurting us, she would be constantly overpowering us and making us follow her orders. I just hope Julia grows out of this and learns to handle her power more responsibly as she gets older. Dasha could treat her dad and brother the same way if she wanted, luckily she's a good person and has no desire to, but a lot of families aren't so lucky. Was Julia visibly muscular, would it be obvious she's so strong if you saw her on the street, or would it be surprising to a man who didn't know better? StanApr 24 2021 6:27pm hi stan, im glad your living with emma now, shell keep you safe. Its not good for even strong guys like henni to be by themselves, but a guy like you defiantly shouldnt live alone, so you should be really greatful emma got you that room in her house, it sounds like she really cares about you. Whats it like living with her when its just you 2, are you still in charge as the babysitter or is she kinda in charge of you? Thanks for telling me i was right about my bro, i was thinking maybe i went too far but now i know for sure im right. My bro went to hsi friends house yesterday and i went with him, his friends sister said shed been doing gymnastics since she turned 5. I got my bro to arm wrestle her and she won, it was kinda close tho but she beat him 3 times. She was pretty nice and i dont think she would of hurt him, but i know i was right to not take the chance. My bro also read what happened to henni and now hes admitted i was right and he said sorry for fighting me and from now on he wont argue again when i say its not safe, he didnt think a 6yo could be stronger than him but its totally possible when its a girl, thats what girl muscle is like. Yea henni shouldnt be embarassed, especally if the girl is already 8 and shes been making girl muscle for 2 years then of course shell be stronger than most guys. A guy cant make girl muscle so theres nothing he can do, its not his fault guy muscle is weaker. Yea i could treat my bro and dad like julie does but id never do that, it makes me so sad when i see girls beating up there bros and making him scared of her, i love my bro and id hate it if he was scared of me like that. 1 of my friends used to be mean to her bro but after she saw how happy me and my bro are when im nice to him she started being nice to her bro aswell and there much happier now, im really glad i could do that for them. All the 8yos in my school are as strong as julie i think, shes stronger than girls in other schools but shed be normal in mine. Henni did you ever ask your friend what its like living with her, does she beat up him and his dad and make them do things? DashaApr 25 2021 8:34am Stan, i know how it is to be weaker than a girl because i’m a man and when most girls surpassed me in the age of 14. And even though i became a little stronger when i became a grown man i stayed weaker than these girls but now it’s even earlier that girls surpass me. So i grew up and learned it pretty early that girls are stronger than guys. Moreover almost all my girlfriends were stronger than me because they all were working out. The only girlfriend who was not stronger than me also surpassed me when she had to go to the gym class at school. Later she loved it that i was weaker than her. And my current girlfriend i know a long time before we came together. One day when we romped around she complained that’s not fair that i’m a little stronger than her. Nowadays she’s much stronger than me and in my relationship i’m as man not only the weaker one but also smaller than her. How Dasha mentioned it that some girls get bigger muscles than men and i see it pretty often in the gym when i working out next to a girl. Mostly i have the smaller muscles. Well my friend Mike and his dad are poor guys i think. Even though his mum don’t want that Julia beat up them she has obviously the opinion that men as the weak sex are inferior to women and also to girls and they have to do all the work at home and also they have to obey if a woman or a girl commands. I think Dasha’s brother and dad are really lucky that Dasha is that nice. She could be also treat the males at her home like weaklings and commands them. My girlfriend is also nice and she only commands me rarely but i also know i should not argue with her. If i contradict to much it can happen she put me into my place. She can easily overpower me. Henni Apr 25 2021 11:20am Dasha, i have asked Mike and he said when his mum is not at home his sister rules over him and his dad. He described his mum as nice and warm hearted person but nevertheless she thinks men are inferior and they have to behaved submissive against women and stronger girls. It sounds strange, more than it is because it not uncommon that men are more submissive nowadays in front of women. But at his home his mum thinks it is important to show the men that they are to weak for almost anything. But she has also punished Julia because Julia should not mess with weak men but protect them also against their will. So she told her she have to accompany her brother if he need to go outside to protect him. Of course she said to Mike he has to obey to Julia because she is superior to him anyway. At the end she is the one with girl muscles and he is the weakling. Henni Apr 25 2021 2:54pm That sounds like a very bad situation for your friend and his dad, to be subservient to your 8-year-old sister/daughter like that. Do you know how long it's going on for? I'm a little surprised her mom is OK with that, but I suppose it makes sense in a way, Julia is so much stronger than both of them that she's going to be in charge anyway when her mom is away, so they might as well make it official. Even if it wasn't sanctioned by her mom, I'm sure Mike and his dad would usually do what Julia says regardless, out of fear of her. It also explains why Julia was so angry at her brother and dad, not only did they disobey her but they broke the chain of command, it was insubordination. My cousin's parents put her in charge of her brother when they were away starting when she was 10 and he was 15, and I had a couple of friends in high school who had to obey their younger sisters, so that part's not unusual at all, girls that age are generally more mature than teenage boys and they're also stronger and capable of keeping them in line, so it's a no-brainer for a parent to put their younger daughter in charge of their older son. I don't think I've heard of an 8-year-old who is put in charge of her adult brother and father before though, but maybe it's not that uncommon these days, given how much younger girls become stronger than men now. Does the mom tell the dad that he has to obey Julia as well? Do you know of any other families like that? Dasha, what about you, do you know any girls in a similar situation? And what about your dad, any updates? StanApr 25 2021 7:22pm Well it’s not easy for sure for them. I think his mum is not ok with it that Julia suppress Mike and his dad but of course Julia as the stronger one is in charge for Mike regarding topics of security and she can also help him with with all this heavy things, for which he as man is to weak. I think Julia should be in charge for Mike and not for her dad but of course with all that things who are usually to heavy for a man she should help also him because she is the stronger one. I think she should cooperate more with her dad. For Mike as the weakest family member she is in charge and he have to obey. Mike told me that Julia realized that she is stronger 3 month ago. So at the moment it is fun for her to show men that she is stronger. Henni Apr 25 2021 11:16pm Henni wow i feel really sorry for mike and his dad, it must suck for them to get bossed around and beaten up by her. I dont think its right that whoevers strongest gets to be in charge, but alot of people do think thats right, so i think its not that uncommon for a family to be like that now. I know alot of girls who are in charge of there older bros, a few are like me where they only tell there bro what to do when its for his safety, but most girls i know who have a bro are in charge of him when the parents are away. Some of them the parents say the bro is in charge but when there gone obviously the sister is in charge cause shes way stronger and she can make her bro do what she wants. Tho i think most girls my age with older bros, the parents say that the girl is in charge, cause they trust the girl more and cause like i said alot of people think the strongest person should be the boss even if there younger. So its normal for even a 10yo girl to be put in charge of her 16yo bro, and i think thats ok if shes nice to him. i know at least 2 girls in my school who are in charge of there dads aswell, 1 of them bosses her dad and bro around when there mom isnt home and he does what she says cause hes scared of her, but when her moms home they pretend it doesnt happen, and her dad doesnt tell her mom how she treats him cause she said shed beat him up. Henni im not sure what you meant, so mikes mom said that julie is in charge of mike and he has to obey? Does mikes mom also tell her husband that julie is in charge of him aswell and he has to obey her? When the mom is away, does julie rule over the house just cause shes strongest, or does her mom say that julie is in charge of the house when shes gone? DashaApr 26 2021 5:12am Sorry stan i saw you asked for an update with my dad before aswell. So ive been keeping on doing what im doing and hes really getting used to it, i carry him around all the time and i wrestle him every day and i think its becoming normal for him, its really working so thanks for the advice. Ive started doing stuff in public now, like this weekend he wanted to join a gym, and when we got there we were in the lobby and i pinned him and picked him up and put him over my shoulder, alot of people were looking. then i went to the desk and said, my dads really weak as you can see so he needs a member ship. Hes ok with saying im stronger even in public, like he met a friend from work in the mall food court and he wanted to push there tables together and he said to me, im not strong enough to move this table can you do it dasha? Hes even asked me to carry him, he was falling asleep on the sofa and he asked me to carry him up to his bed cause he was too tired to walk. Your advice was really good cause hes alot happier now that its normal to him that hes weaker than me, it wont be long before hes totally over it. DashaApr 26 2021 5:25am Well Dasha, i think women and also girls are often in charge for men. One of my girlfriends some years ago, she got the assignment from my mum to take care of me when we were out. And my current girlfriend is also taking care of me. After this occurrence with Julia she has forbidden me to go outside alone. And if, only when she is with me or a woman or a girl she knows. At the moment i’m not happy about that even though i understand it. In the future i have to ask a girl at my gym if she can pick me up and bring me back if my girlfriend has no time. Maybe i have to as Maria. She already helped me with things who are to heavy for a man... Henni Apr 26 2021 3:41pm Yea you defiantly shouldnt go outside alone. Always have a girl with you, she can be a girl my age if theres 1 around, we got enough girl muscle to keep you safe. I got a 12yo neigbor girl and me and my bro pay her to go with my bro if i cant do it, maybe you can do that. i know its pretty common for girls to be in charge of older guys, most girls in my school who have big bros are in charge of them when there parents arent home. i know girls who boss around there dads aswell. But i dont think i know any girls as young as julie whos mom puts her in charge of a grownup brother and a dad, ill ask at my school if they know anyone like that. What about the question i asked before, does julies mom say that julie is in charge of her dad when shes away, and that her dad has to obey her orders? DashaApr 26 2021 5:06pm I have talked again with Mike and he told me that he has to obey to Julia because he is the brother and weaker than her. Julia has to do what their dad said because he is the father but nevertheless he is also weaker and he need to ask her for things who are impossible for him and only a girl can do. Let’s see if Julia obey to her mother. Anyway, i have asked Maria if she can pick up me when i want to go to the gym. When she wants to go to the gym she cross the street i life in. She said yes and next week i can go with her. Henni Apr 27 2021 12:16am Yea that makes sense. Its normal for a girl like her to be put in charge of her older bro and i know girls who boss around there dads but it would be kinda wierd if her mom said she was in charge of her dad. Its still kinda wierd that her mom puts her in charge of mike if hes your age, it would be normal if hes teenaged, but if his moms 1 of those people who thinks the strongest person should be in charge then it makes sense. Its good to tell him to obey julie just for his own good, if your with a girl like that its best to do what they say. I bet julie wont do what her mom says, i know girls like her and there not gonna stop beating guys. I bet julie will keep bossing her dad around when her moms not there, but hell threaten her dad with a beating if he says anything to her mom, so hell have to pretend shes being good. Did you ask mike what its like when his moms not home? Did julie beat up him and his dad lots of times before? Has she beat up any other guys other than you and her dad and bro? DashaApr 27 2021 5:40am Dasha - It's great to hear about your dad's progress, it sounds like he's really close to fully accepting the situation, particularly the fact that he was willing to say in front of his colleague that he is weaker than you really shows how far he has come. Does he still resist when you lift him in public? I think that's the next step, carry him around where a lot of people can see, including people he knows. It's good to exercise and you shouldn't discourage him, but I think he decided to work out because it bothered him that you were stronger than him, so the fact that he still wants to join a gym might indicate that he's not fully over it yet. It's only been a few days but I like living with Emma, her mom is hardly ever home during the day so it's mostly just the two of us. She treats me very well, but I don't really have any authority over her, and she is certainly the one with the most power. She does her chores and she doesn't really treat me like a subordinate, but she does decide what I should make for dinner and what movie we should watch, and I always accept her decision. I never try to tell her what to do, for example I don't tell her to go to bed when it gets late, she's the one who decides when we both go to bed. She makes all the decisions, and to be honest I'm fine with that. She's very fair and doesn't abuse her power. I think we both feel that it would be a bit ridiculous if I were in charge given her superiority over me, and it feels completely natural that she should make the decisions. The only times she gets angry with me is when she's worried about my safety, she goes a little to far with that. I can't even sit out on the front lawn if she's not there, she got a little mad when she caught me doing that. I understand why she's so worried given how many girls with Kennedy's attitude there are, so I don't complain about it, and I'm grateful that she protects me. When a girl is as strong, kind, and responsible as Emma then it's completely appropriate that she should be in charge of a guy like me, and I'm very content with the situation. StanApr 27 2021 1:45pm Henni - The situation that Mike and his dad are in is basically the nightmare scenario I was imagining when I realized how early girls now exceed the strength of adult men. If their mom wasn't around it would be even worse, Julia would completely terrorize them. I think that kind of situation will become very common over the next few years. Dasha, you said you'll ask around at your school about whether any of the girls there are in a similar arrangement, what did you find out? Henni, could you maybe ask Mike more about how he and his dad cope with living with Julia? How exactly does she treat them when her mom's not around? StanApr 27 2021 1:50pm By the way, this thread might get locked soon, so if that happens we should go to this thread: http://www.likelike.com/pollcommentary/4123. No need to go there now, but if your comment doesn't show up in this thread, you can post it in the one I linked. StanApr 27 2021 1:52pm Mile told me, when Julia realized that she is the strongest when her mum is not there, she started to became more and more bossy and she starts to boss them around. When this started Mike‘s dad wont obey and so he was beaten up by Julia multiple times. He tried to defend himself but as man he‘s much to weak of course and can‘t resist to a girl. With Mike it was going a similar way. He was also beaten up by Julia because he wont obey to her. Because she became more and more cheeky she had some conflicts with men but many men know that they can‘t mess with a girl, so luckely there happend not to much. But many boys around their place knows that Julia is stronger now and many of them are scared of her. In her class she treats the boys like her inferior servants. Julia stated that now who the girls are much stronger than the boys, the girls think that the boys are weaklings and they can treat the boys how ever they want. It‘s not nice and her mother stated that boys and men are weaklings but girls have to protect them and not beat them up. But she also said if a boy wont obey it can help him learn his lesson, if the girl shows who has the stronger muscles. Henni Apr 28 2021 12:56am Now that it's the norm for girls to start working out at the beginning of elementary school, most girls Julia's age are stronger than the average man. They might not be as strong as her, but 2 or 3 years of building girl muscle is enough to far exceed most males. It seems like most of them have the same attitude as her as well, so I think the situation that Mike and his father are in is probably already very common, although we don't hear about it a lot because guys are too embarrassed to talk about it. My friend Quint said Kennedy treats him the exact same way when Lilly and their mom are away, and he refuses to tell his mom about it. He used to tell Lilly when Kennedy hurt him and she punished her, but that just resulted in Kennedy beating him up even worse the next time, and now that Kennedy is close to overtaking Lilly she's reluctant to punish her now. I'm guessing Mike and his father have largely stopped resisting and now do what Julia says, and that's the right thing to do, it's pointless and dangerous for a man to try to fight a girl her age. Even combined, they can't hope to match her girl muscle. The best thing for them to do is follow her orders and try to get her mom to intervene. I'm sure it's already very common for guys to be treated that way by their sisters or even daughters, I'm going to try to find more examples, maybe I'll ask my brother's friends. Dasha, have you asked the girls at your school about it yet? And have you started enforcing the rule about your dad not going out alone yet? Henni, do you or Mike know of any other families like his? And what does Julia look like, is she visibly muscular enough that it's obvious from looking at her how strong she is? Has the incident with her changed you at all, do you get scared now when you see a girl her age on the street? StanApr 28 2021 6:38am Yea i asked alot of girls in my school yesterday. All the girls i asked who have bros are the boss of there bros, most of them there parents say there in charge of there bros. Theres even a 6yo in 1st grade and her 17yo bro has to do what she says when there moms not home, i dont know how that works. Alot of the girls i talked to said they boss around there dads when there moms not there and they sometimes beat him up a bit, i think some maybe were exadgerating but i know there all stronger than there dads so its probably kinda true. Theres 1 girl in 3rd grade who said she lives just with her bro and dad and she said she totally rules the house all the time, she even has the credit cards and she gives her dad an allowance, and she showe my pics of her dad with a black eye and said she did that to him when he was rude to her. That girl is really horrible, i could do that with my dad and bro but i hate the idea of doing that, but alot of girls will do it if there are no other girls around. Like 1 of my friends has a 8yo sister and her sister would do that to there dad and bros but my friend stops her, like lilly and kennedy. DashaApr 29 2021 4:53am m a personal trainer in a small gym in a suburb. During an usualy day we have at least 20 women who come workout but only up to 5 or 6 men. While only 1 or two men workout really seriousely at least 50% of the women workout seriousely and some of them are really strong. So, maybe there are 1 or two hours you can see men who workout and who are stronger than the women. The rest of the time you see that there are women who are stronger than the men. AndreaApr 29 2021 10:56pm Well Stan i think you are right, a lot girls are stronger so they are often controll the males around them. I‘m not sure in which kind it will be seen as abnormal that girls control boys or also men. All my life i had girlfriends who were stronger than me and most of mymale friends had also girlfriends who were stronger than them self. Sometimes i have heared from anyone that a girl wanted to mess with a guy and she has beaten up that guy but never the other way around. How should it go? A weak boy cant beatup a strong girl. So i think you will find that what you wrote pretty often but it will be taken as normal. By the way, Julia has visible muscles but not that big. But nevertheless she‘s stronger than most guys. I‘m sure her muscles will grow in the next years and she will surpass the average small male muscles. Henni Apr 30 2021 11:33pm Andrea, i think this happens in almost all gyms. In the gym i go i see nearly only girls and almost all of them are stronger than me or all other men. My girlfriend told me in her gym she has only seen a man one times who could use the same weight like she can lift. Normaly the men ther are weaker than the girls. Did you see that men are nowadays more often smaller and clear less muscular than girls! Henni Apr 30 2021 11:44pm Henni yea its normal that julias muscles arent that big, tho i bet there really hard and defined. Your arms are probably bigger than hers but shes still way stronger, cause her muscle is girl muscle and just small girl muscle can easily beat even alot of guy muscle. I met the 3rd grade girl who said shes in charge of her dad yesterday in the mall and her dad was with her, she gave him a bunch of orders just to show me she wasnt lying and her dad really does do what she says. i think its already pretty common for it to be like that and its gonna get more common. Do you know any other families like that other than mikes? Andrea yea its like that for grownups but for kids its even more, most girls my age work out and almost all girls in early elementary school work out and almost no boys work out at all, ive never seen and boy highschool age or younger whos stronger than me since i was 9. DashaMay 01 2021 1:06pm Yes, her muscles were hard like stone. Even though her muscles are smaller but not much smaller than mine. I can imagine in the next two years her muscles will explode, so Mike and me will have male mini muscles compared to her girl muscles. Dasha, you told me that most girls your age have clear bigger muscles than men. May i ask you how big you biceps are? I’m sure i know more families who the women and girls rule the men but it seems it is normal so nobody mentioned this as special. I have to admit i don’t have so much young female friends and most of my male friends are my age or older. Mostly they have a sister a little older or a little younger. Next to Mike i know only a guy who’s sister is 16 and here it’s absolute normal that she is much stronger than men. Henni May 02 2021 12:26am Im not sure how big my biceps are, last time i measured they were 12.5 but that was a while ago i think and theyre bigger now, i guess between 13 and 13.5, there about the same as the other girls in my class. My dads arm is thicker when were not flexed but mine is thicker when we flex, but not by that much, my dads pretty big for a guy, but im still 2x stronger. Thats cause girl muscle is so much harder and denser, if a guy and a girl of any age have the same bicep size then the girl is 2x stronger and a young girl like julie who is alot lighter and has smaller arms is still gonna be stronger than most guys. Girls who work out dont get bigger biceps than guys until there maybe 10 or in my school most at 9 but theyve already been stronger than guys for years before that. So girls julies age probably look strong buy guys who dont know what girl muscle is like would look at her and still think there stronger than her, but there wrong, and that means girls her age who are mean are extra dangerous. Also cause there taller, my bro is tall for his age and i think hes almost 6 feet, and i saw him lose to the 6yo sister of his friend and she was probably like 4 feet, so 2 whole feet shorter and 10 years younger and with thinner arms, and she still beat him. Shed been making girl muscle for 1.5 years and even for a 6yo thats enough to beat a guy my bros age. Stan said emmas kinda in charge of him now but shes nice so hes ok with it, henni would you be ok with an 8yo girl being the boss of you if shes nice like emma? Are you afraid of girls that age after you met julie? DashaMay 02 2021 10:06am Well Dasha would be interesting how much time ago because my muscles were already smaller than yours then but i’m also weaker than you. That’s right, it’s more dangerous for guys who underestimate girls only because they are smaller. When i was at school most girls were clear bigger than me. Most 13 yo girls had bigger muscles than the boys in higher classes. I remember that one girl asked me if i’m in 5th or 6th grade when i was already in 9th grade. She thought because i’m so small, i’m must be in a lower class. I think many boys experience this also today because for many girls they look like little boys. Especially boys who not yet in puberty are smaller than girls who already in puberty. Anyway i think i would accept if such a girl like Emma were my boss. Well, my girlfriend is also younger than me. She was also my boss when she was 16 and i was 19yo. And my girlfriend before this girlfriend was only 14 when i turned 19. She was also my boss because such girls already stronger than men as well. So me as weak boyfriend was inferior to her and had to obey. So it’s not unusual for me. But nevertheless i have also to admit that i know what girls can do to me and so i’m again and again scared of girls. I know as weak man i have no chance against a girl who workout and because of this is stronger than me. Henni May 02 2021 4:26pm Girls my age are maybe a little taller than guys but a couple years older and the guys are taller, but the girls are still way stronger especally if they work out. Alot of guys are real skinny tho and girls got alot of muscle so there sometimes heavier. Yea i know your ok with having girls in charge of you if there your age or only a few years younger but i think its different when its an 8yo, you think so? You should be afraid of girls julies age, my bros is afraid of them and thats a good thing, it means he stays out of trouble. Older girls arent that scary even if there stronger cause there mature and most wont hurt you for fun, but most girls julies age are really mean and they act like she does, so you should be scared of them and stay away from them unless you got a girl with you. Has mike been beaten up by julies friends aswell or has julie beaten up any other of his friends or other guys? DashaMay 02 2021 8:44pm Well i think if she is reasonable i would have no problem with it. Me as man need of course a girl who can protect me and it can be actually any girl who is stronger than men. I think girls are not that short like then anymore. Most girls i know are maybe 10cm shorter than guys. Because many of them wear heels pretty often it’s not rarely that the girl is taller than men. When i was at school it was very stylish that girls wore heels, so we boys were mostly smaller and shorter than the girls. My girlfriend loves it still nowadays wearing high heels. So because of that then i’m shorter than her as well! For sure i’m scared of girls if they want beat me up, independent of their age. Mike told me that Julia has beaten up several men. Since she realized that she has gotten stronger than men she love to try how much stronger she is. Because Mike has no older sister there is nobody who can stop Julia except there comes another girl for help the poor guys. Henni May 03 2021 3:26am Dasha, yea, girls become earlier stronger these days. When i turned 12 my boyfriend was 15 an i was already that strong like he was. At this time he was scared that i could surpass him in a short time and he worked out like the hell to become at least not weaker than me. It doesn’t helped him, when i turned 13 i could beat him in armwrestling. It was a hard fight but at the end i won. When i was 15 and he was 18yo he was no match for me anymore. Like most men he was was much weaker than me. Because he was a macho guy he had trouble with a lot girls and most of them wanted to beat him up. I think the worst situations for him i have prevented. You can imagine the most girls wanted to bring him into the hospital and he would not have a chance. Like men like henni he became very submissive and he was really scared by many girls because he knew that he as weak male don’t stand a chance against any girl. One day i dropped him because he clung to much on me. He was completely focused on me and often he cried when i wanted to go out without him. It was really exhausting. Andrea May 03 2021 8:49am Henni girls i know dont really care about height and i dont really know anyone who wear heels, girls now do sports and like practical shoes. Its good for you to be scared of all girls in elementary school cause alot of them are like julie and are just as strong as her and you dont know which ones want to hurt you so its good to be afraid of all of them. Yea i bet a girl like julie has beaten up alot of guys, do you have any friends who are also friends with mike and have met julie as well? Andrea things have really changed alot cause its so wierd to me to think a 12yo girl can have trouble beating a 15yo boy, in my school the 7yos can beat most 15yo boys. I guess when you were young it wasnt normal for girls to start working out at 5 or 6 yet. DashaMay 03 2021 10:58am Well Dasha, most girls i know like to be tall. Of course nowadays girls are taller than then. Most girls i know are almost 10 cm shorter than guys. Even though men are weaker they’re taller than girls. Especially on parties you can see that girls wear sexy clothes. Many but not all of them wear heels between 10 or 15 cm. So then you can imagine men are mostly shorter than girls. I’m sure, later on special occasions you will also wear heels and you will enjoy if you look down at your boyfriend and you see how he looks up to you. I can imagine Andrea and me are around the same age. When i was at school most girls surpassed me between 12 and 14 yo. Nowadays i have learned that girls are stronger much earlier. Henni May 03 2021 10:35pm I'm certainly scared of all girls of elementary school age, though I have a greater reason to be than most guys as even the youngest and more immature of them can easily be stronger than me. Some of them are like Dasha and Katie and Emma, but others are like Kennedy and Julia, so it's wise to avoid any of them unless I know her, just to be safe. Sometimes you can see how strong they are from their physique, but often it's not obvious, especially if they're wearing loose clothes. Dasha, have you forbidden your dad from going outside without a girl accompanying him yet? StanMay 05 2021 5:04am Hi stan i thought i already said yesterday about my dad but i guess the message didnt send. Yea so i told him that hes not allowed to go outside at night without me or another girl with him, he can go out in the day if he stays in the car and just quickly goes into the place he needs to go and then back. He cant walk down the street without me there. He knows hes weaker than me and my friends but he really didnt like it that i set the rule, he argued alot and said it wasnt necesary. I thought that might happen so i had a plan, the next day i got that 7yo i said about earlier whos really incredible, shes almost as strong as me, to come to my house, and i told her to wrestle my dad. He didnt want to but she grabbed him and pinned him, then let him go and then pinned him again. She was really enjoying it and she was hurting him a bit, i felt bad about letting my dad get hurt but i know its best cause its part of the plan to make him follow the rule and not get badly hurt in the future. So he was crying out to me to get her to stop, and i said, well if you dont think you need protection then you dont need me to help, shes only 7 so if you think its safe to be by yourself when there are girls that young and imature walking around who can beat you then i wont help you. She started hurting him real bad now by bending his leg back and i was scared shed break it and i was about to get her off him anyway but then my dad agreed to follow the rule i made. It was real hard to get the girl off him, shed kinda gone a bit crazy. When i got her off him i calmed her down and she went home, then i carried my dad to his bed and said sorry, i said i needed to do it to show him how its not safe for guys anymore, girls really young and mean are stronger than you now and you cant go out without a girl. My dad said he understood and hell follow the rule now. DashaMay 05 2021 2:19pm It's good that you did that Dasha, if he keeps going out without protection it's only a matter of time before he runs into a girl like Julia or Kennedy and gets himself seriously hurt. He had already accepted that he was weaker than you, but being overpowered by a 7-year-old is another thing entirely, did it have any effect on him? I'd be a bit worried if I were you that he might skirt the rule when you're not around, when it's only him in the house he might go outside by himself. He might know that young girls are stronger than him, but he still needs to learn that many of them have the kind of temperament that can lead them to beat up an adult. The fact that the other girl went overboard in the wrestling might show him that to some extent, but it might not be enough. Maybe you should consider putting him in a position where he is confronted by one of the more sadistic girls in your school, and allowing her to overpower him. Make sure you can intervene if it looks like he's in danger of getting injured, but he needs to know how dangerous it is for an unescorted man these days, and the only way to do that is to let him experience it first-hand. StanMay 07 2021 6:12am Stan its funny cause i didnt see your message until now but thats exactly what happened on friday. Usually my bro picks me up but this time it was my dad and i saw him out of his car standing outside the parking lot smoking a ciggarette. I was pretty mad cause hed agreed that hes not allowed to do that, hes gotta stay in the car with the doors locked if hes by himself especially if hes near where alot of young girls are. I was walking to him and he didnt see me and i saw a 3rd grade girl walk up to him. I couldnt hear what they said but then she charged at him and picked him up at his waist and slammed him into a wall and then punched him a bunch of times while he was on the ground and she was sitting on him. He was crying for help and i ran up and told the girl to get off him and she did and she said sorry she didnt know he was my dad. I carried my dad back to the car and got my bro to come and drive us back. My dad said hes really sorry and now he knows i was right and its not safe for guys alone. So it was actually good that it happened cause next time maybe i wouldnt of been there to save him and he might of gotten really hurt. DashaMay 09 2021 11:22am Yeah, I was worried something like that would happen. It's almost suicidal for a man to stand around outside a girls' school as all the students are leaving, let alone a school like your's. Emma would freak out if she saw me doing that! Are you going to punish your dad for breaking the rule, or do you think the beating he got from the 3rd grader is enough? StanMay 09 2021 7:17pm Stan yea its crazy hed do that, i told my bro he was just standing outside the parking lot of my school and my bro said he was crazy to do that, its like the most dangerous place in town. Hes the first guy most girls see all day cause theyve been in school and the mean ones just wanna beat someone up. When my bro picks me up he parks far away and stays in the car with the doors locked and if a bunch of girls from my school walk past he lyes down in the car so they cant see him. I didnt punish my dad cause he alraedy got punished when he got beat up. Id still need to punish him if he breaks the rule again, if i dont punish him then the rule doesnt mean anything, but i dont like the idea of doing that it would be wierd to punsish him. Stan has emma ever punished you for something? How did she do it? How about you henni? DashaMay 10 2021 8:12am Well, i was once punished physically by my girlfriend because of i did something she dont wanted. In the past my previous girlfriends did the same if they wanted it or thought i need a punishment. But also when i was in school i was beaten up by several girls. This was very hard for me because as boy i was much weaker than girls, moreover i was shorter and overall smaller than most girls. Henni May 11 2021 5:04am Henni how did she punish you, and did it work, did you not do it again? And do you think its ok for me to punish my dad if he breaks my rule and goes out by himself and puts himself in danger? Its ok for a gf but a daughter i dont know, but if i gotta do it to keep him safe then maybe. i think cause young girls like me are stronger now we got a responsibility to protect weak guys and keep them safe and maybe that means i gotta hurt him a bit to keep him safe. if i need to do it how should i do it? DashaMay 11 2021 9:48am Oh yes is has worked! My girlfriend was realy angry to me and so she has beaten me very badly. You can imagien if a strong girl beat up a weak guy, she can bring him into a hospital pretty easily. Well i could not sit down for almost one week. I think this is not the way a daughter should punish her dad. Maybe you can punish him by humiliate him in public and show to him again and again that he is much weaker than a girl. Well, i think that strong girls are responsable for the weak guys but nevertheless, how a girlfriend treat her weak boyfriend should be different to it how the daughter treat her dad also if she is already much stronger than him. Henni May 11 2021 10:18am Yes, Emma has punished me once. She had a gymnastics recital, and I wanted to go see it, but she expressly forbade that because of how many athletic young girls would be there. I ended up going to my friend Quint's house, he picked me up in his car. Emma was furious when she found out I was in the same house as Kennedy without her there. I thought it was OK since Lilly was also there, but Emma pointed out that Lilly can't really stop Kennedy anymore. When we got home Emma picked me up, bend me over her lap, and slapped me a few times. She was as gentle as she could be, but it still hurt a bit. She explained that she needed to do it for my own good, and that she was only doing it because she cared about me. And she was completely right, I'm actually grateful for her. I was irresponsible with my own safety, and what she did ensured I would never do it again. I think it's perfectly OK for Dasha to punish her dad in the same way, but only if her dad is putting himself in danger. She should never do that just because he was rude to her or something, only if it's necessary to keep him safe. You're right that young girls should take responsibility for the safety of the males in their life, and that includes doing things like that when they need to. StanMay 15 2021 6:35am test TimMar 23 2022 12:36am Hi Tim, you back? How's it going with Katie and Aubrey? StanApr 12 2022 6:21pm Know a boy who is 12yo and a very strong gymnast, 4'10" 42kg and totally ripped. Have seen him beat an average-weak adult man and this same boy complains about his sister who is half his age but stronger than him. annoApr 20 2022 6:51pm he's a very strong boy who has been athletic and strong his whole life and has even had weights at home for years. can curl 15kg in one hand. so he hates that his little sister is starting to pass him in strength annoApr 20 2022 6:58pm @anno Wow, a 6 year old girl who's stronger than a weak-average adult man. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, I have an 8 year old niece with 3 older brothers and she's a lot stronger than all of them, I've heard them complaining about how she bosses them around. Have you ever met this boy's sister? How does she treat him? RobboMay 12 2022 3:52pm and @Stan @Dasha @Tim if any of you are still around I want to ask you some questions too. RobboMay 12 2022 3:52pm Add a comment: Vote Results |
