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Are paranoid schizophrenics inherently evil?

Question: Ok being a psychology major I know there is a difference between paranoid schizophrenia and regular. 80 percent of schizophrenics are regular. You ever see that Jamie Fox film or that man on the street? He`s a schizophrenic. However paranoid schizophrenics(which make up 20 percent) have less hallucionations, but are more frightful and more delusional. I lived with a paranoid schizoprenic for a while as a child. He verbally abused his mother, stole her money. Refused her medical care and was verbally abusive in the worst possible way. Very self centered extremely angry and hostile. He was an older relative and when I came along I was perceived as a threat. I was molested! I understand a common schizophrenic. You see them in the parking lots, car washes gathering bottles -- my heart falls for them. Then you have the paranoid who has no compassion,and so much hatred. And we all know the biggest criminals in history had paranoid schizophrenia. My biggest question is whether this mindset desrves a psychological definition or should we should call them just plain evil? Im not talking about the Jamie Fox chracter, just those who exhibit aggressive behavior and/or are labeled \
Created by: bigquestion at 02:42:51 PM, Wednesday, February 03, 2010 EST

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They are not inherently evil, however they are possessed by demon spirits which are. Only faith can heal those afflicted with this condition. The evil spirits must be cast out and the victim must accept Jesus as Savior. It is both complex and simple at the same time.

Baptist EvangelistFeb 03 2010 8:00pm


A medical problem that the afflicted did not cause is not the fault of the afflicted. Such medical problems need intervention but ONLY from licensed professionals (e.g. physicians and psychiatrists). BTW, I am an Agnostic. An Agnostic is one who believes that anything beyond the material phenomenon is unknown and unknowable. An Agnostic is not an Atheist. An Agnostic (like me) admits to not knowing the unknowable while an Atheist insists that there is nothing beyond the material phenomenon. I am NOT an Atheist!!!

An AgnosticFeb 05 2010 1:25pm
I am an athiest also. but paranoid schizophrenia is not a medical problem. before the advet of psychiatry it just meant you were a bad seed if you had it.

AnonymousFeb 06 2010 6:16am
You are quite right to say that the condition labeled paranoid schizophrenia is so divergent from other conditions known as schizophrenia. These are for the most part extreme forms of dysfunctional and dissociative disorders, whereas the paranoid version is marked by acute delusions of persecution an grandeur as well as hallucinations. It is perhaps this hallucinatory effect which has caused this original condition of Paranoia proper to be lumped together with these other degenerative effect disorders under the title of schizophrenia. It is not the only instance of modern psychology and psychiatry giving misleading classifications. Take the term Narcissistic Personality Disorder for example it actually has very little to do with true narcissism at all it's overriding characteristic is a marked egotism something very different. Anyway to return to the the subject of Paranoia and and paranoiacs which is indeed the original and in my view the correct definition, are they evil. Thieves and gangsters are evil in that they set out to consciously and with forethought do harm to both individual persons and to society in general. Paranoiacs in contrast do not wish to harm far less interfere with anyone, they perceive themselves as being the victims of an attack against them. It is because of this perception of being attacked that they are dangerious, but being dangerious is not the same as being evil. Then there is the question of degree of psychosis they are suffering from because paranoiacs like schizophrenics are psychotic unlike the paranoid form of paranoia. The word paranoid like that other word gay is much abused nowadays, in it's proper form it should only be used in connection with one of the personality disorders which bears it's name. It's a very much milder of of paranoia which has none of the deteriotrative or hallucinatory effects.

wwFeb 06 2010 8:08am
They are the root of all evil. Crazy people with a lust for violence in their eyes have no place in this world. We need to stop pampering these vicious monsters and put them in the morgue where they belong. Then the world will be a safer place for those of us who are worth something.

Reasonable PsychiatristFeb 06 2010 8:11pm
Even if these are the actual views of any given psychiatrist, such views should be discussed only with other practitioners (such as at a closed lecture) rather than here in the open arena where all medical and psychiatric practitioners are expected to be role models who can be looked up to with admiration and respect.

AnonymousFeb 11 2010 3:53pm
Nonsense. If the question has been asked, then the question must be answered. All points of view should be openly discussed out in the open, and we shall not fear the truth. Are medical and psychiatric practitioners role models to be looked up to with admiration and respect? Or are they just greedy drug pushers who will administer a fake diagnosis for a profit? These are not Gods, they are frauds,and should be exposed. There is no person crazier than one with a degree in psychiatric medicine. Only information will protect us from them.

AnonymousFeb 11 2010 7:00pm
On rereading the original question I can see what we are talking about here is not the condition known as paranoid schizophrenia at all. The descriptions listed are found in the sociopathic personality disturbances which includes the antisocial personality disorder which more accuractly fits the description given. The point here is that criminality is a marked feature of this personality disorder. Of course there is a form of psychois which also fits within the range of these sociophathic disturbances but it is not paranoid schizophrenia. A clear distinction must be made here between these three groups of abnormalities. The first group being the psychosis is by far the most serious and they are incurable and their conditions can only be surpressed by drugs. At the other end of the scales are the post traumatic stress disorders, the minor depressions and the stress and abuse caused conditions etc. These are afflictions which like other physical illnesses can occur at any time to anybody and are mostly of a temporarily nature and are curable. Indeed the medical and psychiatric professions prefer these because their success rate is so high and the least trouble. But the third group is a totally different matter this group is composed of the personality disorders, the neurosis and the perversions. A common factor about these conditions is that unlike the other two groups they only manifest themselves at one time of life namely during adolescence and are mostly lifelong. Although there are usually predispostions before adolescence as far as the personality disorders and neurosis are concerned, and there can be regressions from adulthood to the age of puberty in a few of the perversions. It is the mental stage of adolescence which is the key to this third group before or after this stage they cannot develope. Also unlike the other two groups they are not organic or external afflictions they are constitutionally based and interwoven with the psyche itself and there can be several conditions comorbid and interrelating together. Also these conditions are only accessible to the depth psychologies and are curable only if certain preconditions apply. The first two groups are mental illnesses the third however is not it represents mental differences the question should be are these differences evil.

wwFeb 14 2010 5:18am
Let me save you some time. It goes like this. Nut cases should all be exterminated. Now. That is how simple it is. No long winded philosophical analysis needed.

Reasonable PsychiatristFeb 14 2010 11:25am
No, men who molest children are evil. Not all schizophernics are mostlers, I seriously doubt all molesters are schizophrenics, I doubt every homeless are schizophernics etc... they just have voices in their heads that makes it hard to function in everyday life.

stop telepathicly talking to meFeb 09 2011 6:39am
anyone who says that all paranoid schizophrenics / nut-cases should be exterminated really has no real thoughts of their own, and they are sucked into the propoganda and lies written by the government-spin fed media and the misinformation spread by the far less-than perfect infantile psuedo-science called psychiatry. It is a known statistic that you are many many times more likely to be the victim of violence or crime outside a bar on a saturday night than you ever would be outside a psychiatric ward when one of the patients have been discharged. If everyone who is a "nutter" needs to be "exterminated" (my god, whoever writes stuff like that is soooooo paranoid and fearful themselves to want 66% of the world (2/3 people suffer mental illness during their lives, and 1 in 100 people are diagnosed (usually wrongly imho) with paranoid schizophrenia) exterminated, that they are little mini-Hitlers, and no better than the Klu-Klux-Klan etc. etc for wanting so many people 99.999% of whom they will never meet destroyed. Perhaps they need to examine themselves and face some facts - do they know much about so-called mental illness? or are they just repeating the things they hear on television, in the papers etc. because it sounds powerful, and they are easily manipulated fools. Just because 1 black person may commit a murder, do we put all black people on death-row? no, of course we don't, it would be insane, reciprocally, do we execute everyone who gets diagnosed with schizophrenia, paranoid or otherwise.... well, to satisy you stinking bastards who hate so called "nutters" a large proportion of schizophrenics are killed one way or another by psychiatric services, through use of drugs that destroy the nervous system, electrocution of the brain (ECT) and so on. It's thoughtless, bloody thirsty individiuals that don't see the real problem and add fuel to the fire of "all schizophrenics are evil" who are helping to murder thousands and thousands of innocents every year. Now, you have blood on your hands - who is really sick - some person whose imagination has the better of them, or is half-asleep day-dreaming and experiencing voices? someone who has some telepathic ability (you think telepathy is bullpoo? it's neither provable nor disprovable - the Oxford English Dictionary says as much) - or someone who for whatever misguided reason, without any thought whatsoever says - all paranoid schizophrenics should be executed..... yeah. all paranoid schizophrenics should be executed - so should all jews, no maybe all black people, maybe all vegetarians instead, maybe all homosexuals... Grow up, get some real facts, stop blindly hating people you've never met, read between the lines in the media, and stop hating so much - with your words about extermination, you are acting like the bad person you say you want killed. Sorry.

"schizophrenic dude" aka someone who does have a veryFeb 12 2011 8:45pm
the person above. i hear you. but when the person molests a younger family member because of jealousy or hate,where do you draw the line. I have a relative who has paranoid schizophrenia. He is on meds that keep him relaxed, but he is still a very hateful and hostile person. I certainly wouldnt want my kids around him. So where do you draw the line??

AnonymousMar 03 2011 6:58pm
Stop being affraid of us. We cant help we are mutants.

Scitzo4lifeDec 10 2011 8:41pm
It is my belief that the seeds of insanity are present in all of us. Careful what demons you try to kill. You might become them.

Your friendly neighborhood sage.Jan 21 2012 7:29pm
Don't think I've seen so much unintelligence gathered in one place before, as there is in this thread.

AnonOct 28 2012 5:19am
I have schizophrenia and it hurts to think people think we should be killed. I hope that one day everyone can have more compassion for others.

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